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View JRW2's Profile JRW2 Flag Dulwich 14 Apr 21 1.26pm Send a Private Message to JRW2 Add JRW2 as a friend

I see that the England manager thinks that referees tolerate too much abuse. How disappointing (at least to me) to find that that's not because he sees anything wrong with abuse of referees (perhaps he does, but he doesn't say so) but because it doesn't prepare his team for playing in Europe, where referees are much stricter.

 

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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Flag 14 Apr 21 1.43pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by JRW2

I see that the England manager thinks that referees tolerate too much abuse. How disappointing (at least to me) to find that that's not because he sees anything wrong with abuse of referees (perhaps he does, but he doesn't say so) but because it doesn't prepare his team for playing in Europe, where referees are much stricter.

Isn’t that what’s called victim blaming?

 

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View ambrose7's Profile ambrose7 Flag Croydon 14 Apr 21 1.57pm Send a Private Message to ambrose7 Add ambrose7 as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Isn’t that what’s called victim blaming?

At the top level, in this particular context, I think it's apt. Referees, and the governing bodies have all the tools available to reduce it.

The players abuse the referees because of their desire to win - it's a reaction to the referee doing something that impacts their ability to win. To stop the abuse, you need to provide a punishment that further impacts their ability to win. A few posters and tweets isn't going to do it.

Yellow cards, moving free kicks 10 yards, suspensions. The tools are all there, and they work in other sports. Football just inexplicably doesn't use them. It's mad that a player can get sent off for lightly brushing heads with an opponent but get nothing for a tirade of abuse at an official - demonstrated by that Ipswich referee leaning towards physical action rather than a sanction to stop it. If they want to stop it, why is telling a referee to f off not an automatic sanction of some sort?

Grassroots is more complex, but grassroots definitely won't stop if the elite can get away with it.


 


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View Palace Old Geezer's Profile Palace Old Geezer Flag Midhurst 14 Apr 21 1.58pm Send a Private Message to Palace Old Geezer Add Palace Old Geezer as a friend

No respect shown at all. I don't think it's quite as bad as it was, but players still argue and protest far more than should be acceptable.

We've said on here before that rugby refs make a decision and the players accept it and get on with the game. OK chaps, fair enough. Some you win, some you lose. Farrell tried arguing in the Six Nations, but didn't get him very far.

Would love to see football referees take a tougher line. And don't get me started on players trying to deceive refs - like Son the other day. Unsportsmanlike or what!

 


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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Flag 14 Apr 21 2.07pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Palace Old Geezer

No respect shown at all. I don't think it's quite as bad as it was, but players still argue and protest far more than should be acceptable.

We've said on here before that rugby refs make a decision and the players accept it and get on with the game. OK chaps, fair enough. Some you win, some you lose. Farrell tried arguing in the Six Nations, but didn't get him very far.

Would love to see football referees take a tougher line. And don't get me started on players trying to deceive refs - like Son the other day. Unsportsmanlike or what!

Rugby referees tend to only speak to the captain and only to the players to tell them what they’ve done wrong.
If players stopped trying to con refs all the time they’d have more sympathy when they complain about wrong decisions. The pundits don’t help when they praise players for “clever play” when they find a trailing leg to fall over.

 

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View Fatherken's Profile Fatherken Flag 14 Apr 21 2.09pm Send a Private Message to Fatherken Add Fatherken as a friend

As in rugby . if a player abuse's the referee 10 min in the sin bin and only captains can talk to the ref . That should help to stop it .

 

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Originally posted by Palace Old Geezer

No respect shown at all. I don't think it's quite as bad as it was, but players still argue and protest far more than should be acceptable.

We've said on here before that rugby refs make a decision and the players accept it and get on with the game. OK chaps, fair enough. Some you win, some you lose. Farrell tried arguing in the Six Nations, but didn't get him very far.

Would love to see football referees take a tougher line. And don't get me started on players trying to deceive refs - like Son the other day. Unsportsmanlike or what!

An issue here is that the rugby reffing of the six nations was blatantly wrong. I presume they couldn't let Wales fail, as what would Wales have left?
Aside from the respect part, the rugby reffing is absolute pants and affects the game much worse than football.
I honestly think the reffing of the last six nations is the worst I've ever seen. The Maradona handball was less blatant.
However, the refs are shown respect. They would card someone for rudeness no problem. They might get the wrong person but hey, ho - someone pays.

 


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View eagleman13's Profile eagleman13 Flag On The Road To Hell & Alicante 14 Apr 21 3.59pm Send a Private Message to eagleman13 Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add eagleman13 as a friend

Originally posted by ambrose7

At the top level, in this particular context, I think it's apt. Referees, and the governing bodies have all the tools available to reduce it.

The players abuse the referees because of their desire to win - it's a reaction to the referee doing something that impacts their ability to win. To stop the abuse, you need to provide a punishment that further impacts their ability to win. A few posters and tweets isn't going to do it.

Yellow cards, moving free kicks 10 yards, suspensions. The tools are all there, and they work in other sports. Football just inexplicably doesn't use them. It's mad that a player can get sent off for lightly brushing heads with an opponent but get nothing for a tirade of abuse at an official - demonstrated by that Ipswich referee leaning towards physical action rather than a sanction to stop it. If they want to stop it, why is telling a referee to f off not an automatic sanction of some sort?

Grassroots is more complex, but grassroots definitely won't stop if the elite can get away with it.


Part of LAW 12 states " any foul &/or abusive language directed to a match official will result in a dismissal" Nowadays(EPL era) 'stakeholders' want 22 players on the pitch at all times.

When i first started out as a ref, as i was climbing up the promotion ladder, we HAD to enforce the LAWS rigorously, BUT, the nearer i got to the EFL we were warned to 'kop a deaf un' to players verbal, ie keep ya cards in your pocket.

You are more likely to be down marked for dismissing a player for language than you are for Serious Foul Play or Violent conduct. Refs of today have never known any different, so its the norm.

YES, i DO agree with the Rugby Union model.

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View JRW2's Profile JRW2 Flag Dulwich 14 Apr 21 4.46pm Send a Private Message to JRW2 Add JRW2 as a friend

Related topic:

Many years ago the son of a very good friend of mine played first class rugby in England and France, and in fact twice for England. I was shocked when he told me that English premiership referees routinely addressed players by their first name. Being a very old fart (even then), I concluded that the country was going to the dogs, familiarity breeds contempt, and it would all end in tears.

I have to admit I've been converted. Wayne Barnes is a good example of the modern method. He smiles, respects the players, and always seems completely in control. You can even hear him thanking a player (by name) when that player has, for example, resisted the temptation to stray offside. You almost get the impression that he and the players are co-operating to provide a good game. Respect is the key, but both referees and players have to earn it.

 

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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Flag 14 Apr 21 4.51pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by JRW2

Related topic:

Many years ago the son of a very good friend of mine played first class rugby in England and France, and in fact twice for England. I was shocked when he told me that English premiership referees routinely addressed players by their first name. Being a very old fart (even then), I concluded that the country was going to the dogs, familiarity breeds contempt, and it would all end in tears.

I have to admit I've been converted. Wayne Barnes is a good example of the modern method. He smiles, respects the players, and always seems completely in control. You can even hear him thanking a player (by name) when that player has, for example, resisted the temptation to stray offside. You almost get the impression that he and the players are co-operating to provide a good game. Respect is the key, but both referees and players have to earn it.

You can also hear rugby refs warning players when they’re in danger of being offside and chivvying them along when they take too much time to get the ball away from a ruck.

 

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View PalazioVecchio's Profile PalazioVecchio Flag south pole 14 Apr 21 8.16pm Send a Private Message to PalazioVecchio Add PalazioVecchio as a friend

Usually the rot comes from the top.

Will the FA defend a strict referee ?

remember the footage of Ashley Cole making a t1t of himself with one of the famous referees ? anybody got the link on youtube ?

Edited by PalazioVecchio (14 Apr 2021 8.31pm)

 


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