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View DanH's Profile DanH Flag SW2 18 Jun 21 8.33am Send a Private Message to DanH Add DanH as a friend

Sounds like massive complacency from the Tories. Concentrating so hard on their culture war to win over the ‘Red Wall’ they’re alienating a lot of their usual voting base, one that’s wise to their massive f*ck ups over the last couple of years.

 

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View Spiderman's Profile Spiderman Flag Horsham 18 Jun 21 9.27am Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

I think this was a classic by election. Credit to the Lib Dems who exploited local anger about HS2 and other government inspired environment issues.

Will this swing back at the next GE?

Anyway credit where credit is due so well done Lib Dems. As for Labour this was never their seat so I can't be too harsh on their performance.

Yep HS2 and housing development plans seem to have been the big vote winner/loser

 

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View Willo's Profile Willo Online Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 18 Jun 21 9.32am Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by Spiderman

Yep HS2 and housing development plans seem to have been the big vote winner/loser

Indeed.
The Lib Dems capitalised on local issues and perhaps other grievances.
They are the Conservative supporters "Go-to" party to register a protest and to send a message to the Government.

Edited by Willo (18 Jun 2021 9.44am)

 

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag The garden of England 18 Jun 21 10.31am Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

Indeed.
The Lib Dems capitalised on local issues and perhaps other grievances.
They are the Conservative supporters "Go-to" party to register a protest and to send a message to the Government.

Edited by Willo (18 Jun 2021 9.44am)

Once the lib dems start playing with the locals everyday lives the protest vote might be regretted.
Guarantee there will be a lot of personal freedoms tinkered with.

 

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View Matov's Profile Matov Online Flag 18 Jun 21 3.51pm Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

Indeed.
The Lib Dems capitalised on local issues and perhaps other grievances.
They are the Conservative supporters "Go-to" party to register a protest and to send a message to the Government.


Edited by Willo (18 Jun 2021 9.44am)

And perhaps a much-needed slice of humble pie that never does anybody any harm on occasion.

Along with being very much how politics is meant to work although my understanding is that neither the pollsters nor the bookies saw this one coming (the rouge poll I mentioned yesterday pointed to the Lib-Dems closing the gap to less than 4% points, not a victory and certainly not by the margins involved).

I would guess some serious questions being asked within Conservative central office today because this should have been much more clearly sign-posted. Because the margin of victory for the Lib-Dems is bloody huge.

And I guess for Labour it raises the spectre of a 'Progressive Alliance' which it has been resisting because that would effectively see it cease to exist as a stand-alone party. But there is clearly an appetite for such a thing, based on what happened yesterday. And whilst turn out was significantly down on what you might see in a GE, the stats speak for themselves.

The Tories have got a bloody nose, that is for sure, and one they seemingly did not see coming, which should be the worrying bit for them.

But for Labour...does it actually have any real purpose left anymore? The Brexit Party saved its bacon in 2019 but the structual problems that underlie its very existence have not been helped in the slightest by losing their deposit.


 


"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

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View ASCPFC's Profile ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 18 Jun 21 4.29pm Send a Private Message to ASCPFC Add ASCPFC as a friend

I suspect the extension of restrictions could have played a role in this.

 


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View Matov's Profile Matov Online Flag 18 Jun 21 4.44pm Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

Originally posted by ASCPFC

I suspect the extension of restrictions could have played a role in this.


I cannot imagine it helping but I suspect its more to do with a mix of HS2, proposed loosening up of planning permission allied with Labour voters wanting to stick one on the Tories. Throw in a lower turnout due to the weather and it all comes together.

If I was a Tory electoral strategist what would worry me is how they have seemingly been blindsided by this. All my reading of it is that they thought this was a nailed on cert.

Shows how volatile British politics is at the moment. With an 80 seat majority it's not going to any difference, especially with Labour gifting them seats but there ain't no way Johnson is going to risk a GE before the second half of 2024. I suspect he never was going to anyway but now its a 100% certainty.

 


"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

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View Willo's Profile Willo Online Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 18 Jun 21 4.47pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by Matov


I cannot imagine it helping but I suspect its more to do with a mix of HS2, proposed loosening up of planning permission allied with Labour voters wanting to stick one on the Tories. Throw in a lower turnout due to the weather and it all comes together.

If I was a Tory electoral strategist what would worry me is how they have seemingly been blindsided by this. All my reading of it is that they thought this was a nailed on cert.

Shows how volatile British politics is at the moment. With an 80 seat majority it's not going to any difference, especially with Labour gifting them seats but there ain't no way Johnson is going to risk a GE before the second half of 2024. I suspect he never was going to anyway but now its a 100% certainty.

The Lib Dem vote harvesting machine of contradictory messages is carefully honed to suit the whims of each household. A pious tone is combined with shameless opportunism - The new MP was against HS2 even though the national party is pro the project.

The Conservative vote was 17,000 down on what it was in the General Election.Perhaps many of our supporters thought the result was a foregone conclusion and this could be one of the factors in the surprising result.

I suspect we will win it back in the next election just like we did when the 'Liberals' won in a by-election in Eastbourne but lost in the General Election.

Edited by Willo (18 Jun 2021 4.57pm)

 

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View Cucking Funt's Profile Cucking Funt Flag Clapham on the Back 18 Jun 21 4.57pm Send a Private Message to Cucking Funt Add Cucking Funt as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

The Lib Dem vote harvesting machine of contradictory messages is carefully honed to suit the whims of each household. A pious tone is combined with shameless opportunism - The new MP was against HS2 even though the national party is pro the project.

And of course your beloved Tories would never stoop so low. Too busy handing over taxpayers’ money to their chums and donors, I’ll be bound.

The corrupt f*ckers got a bloody good hiding, and very well deserved too.

 


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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 18 Jun 21 4.58pm Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

The Lib Dem vote harvesting machine of contradictory messages is carefully honed to suit the whims of each household. A pious tone is combined with shameless opportunism - The new MP was against HS2 even though the national party is pro the project.

That's the beauty of being a minority party no one pays too much attention to your actual policies still I don't blame them for that.

 


One more point

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View Matov's Profile Matov Online Flag 18 Jun 21 4.58pm Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

The Lib Dem vote harvesting machine of contradictory messages is carefully honed to suit the whims of each household. A pious tone is combined with shameless opportunism - The new MP was against HS2 even though the national party is pro the project.

Even so, that was a big loss. And against what the polling and the bookies were saying. The Tories got outplayed. As I said, hubris impacts all of us. Key to it is to learn and move forward.

No point in blaming the Lib Dems. They are meant to be finished, washed up. They will try every trick in the book as they have nothing to lose. I am fully aware of how loathed they are by both Conservative and Labour activists given how they will lie and cheat on every level but you know what you up against.

 


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View Willo's Profile Willo Online Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 18 Jun 21 5.00pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by Cucking Funt

And of course your beloved Tories would never stoop so low. Too busy handing over taxpayers’ money to their chums and donors, I’ll be bound.

The corrupt f*ckers got a bloody good hiding, and very well deserved too.

With respect, typical Anti-Conservative hogwash.
I have no desire to engage in debate which would only serve to provide vitriol with the 'Oxygen' of publicity.

Edited by Willo (18 Jun 2021 5.04pm)

 

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