I'm not sure those votes will go back to Labour. They've been in the grip of momentum for too long who seem to be a bunch of middle class t***s from the home counties who want to fight Thatcher and thing all northerners want is cheesy pea's and a job down the pits.

Hopefully, Lib Dem can pick up the fight for the centre left but they need to realise the battle for the EU is lost, and to stop being a bunch of condescending s*** bags.

If they switched from the Liberal Democrats to the Pragmatic Centreist then the tories might have a fight on their hands.

Either way. They are all c***s an no one has the high ground.

He was not real, shock for you I know

Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

The first past the post system is currently skewed as the number of voters in each constituency is not equal. People complain about Tory gerrymandering but it is hardly fair that fewer people in Scotland can elect an MP. The Electoral commission is supposed to be impartial and will take representations from the other parties about their plans so they will amend to some extent.

The reason this has happened is populations move around grow and not grow this exercise should have been done at least 10 years ago and was squashed by the Lib Dems in 2010 as part of the pact with the Tories.

It really should be done every few years in which case the changes would not be dramatic just the odd one or two, leave it and this is what you get.

Replacing first past the post with PR is a different issue again. Minority parties and their supporters complain about lack of representation however the alternative for me is worse.

When the DUP held the whip hand over Mrs May many of the PR supporters were complaining about a small right wing party of bigots having too much influence well that is what you you get with PR.

At a general election imagine the SNP, Greens and Labour one one side and the Tories, Unionist parties and independents on the other. If they are deadlocked a handful of MP's then can sell their vote to the highest bidder.

As for the voters, many who voted for Lib Dem in 2010 did not vote for a deal with the Tories that meant tuition fees were abolished. You might as well just throw the party manifestos away.

Anyway for all it's faults I still prefer first past the post and so did Labour under Blair until they lost.

Edited by Badger11 (19 Jun 2021 11.32am)

One more point

PR is intrinsically fairer than FPTP, if only because it reduces the likelihood of one party dominating parliament, where more people didn't vote for the 'winning' party than did such as in 2019. I'm all for PR, as is most of the western world.

Sure I get that and its a valid argument but it is also valid to say that under PR you also don't end up with the party or policies that you voted for as it all becomes backroom deals post election.

One more point

At the rate parties welsh on manifesto commitments, I'm not sure people get the policies they vote for even under FPTP. If the ruling party makes a deal with other parties, they're more likely to be instantly accountable (and no longer supported) if they go back on it. Personally, I think overall majorities are unhealthy as it gives the ruling party carte blanche to rule by fiat and without proper scrutiny, as is evident in this parliament.