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jeeagles Flag 21 Jun 21 4.43pm

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

Usual OTT reaction - it was a crap game, but that's about the only conclusion I took from it.

Dropping points in the group is really not the big drama we like to make it out to be; France drew with Hungary, Spain have drawn with Sweden and Poland.. we'll make it out of the group which is all that's important.

Southgate does need to take the shackles off; how you start two full backs like Shaw and James and then don't let them get forward I will never know.

4 points, from two games, in extreme weather conditions, against the world cup finalist and our biggest rivals.

We've never had more than 4 points from our opening two games in the Euro's.

 

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View Ghostship's Profile Ghostship Flag Norfolk 21 Jun 21 4.44pm Send a Private Message to Ghostship Add Ghostship as a friend

If we go out looking to finish second it sends out a negative mindset. Basically it says that we are scared of facing France/Germany in the 2nd round so when we come to play one of them in the quarter finals, should we get there, then France/Germany will have an advantage over us by knowing that we are mentally scared of them.

Lets look to win the group and be brave if we want to win the thing then we have to play the best anyway so its foolish to try and mess around with the result tomorrow.

 

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View silvertop's Profile silvertop Flag Portishead 21 Jun 21 6.42pm Send a Private Message to silvertop Add silvertop as a friend

Originally posted by Ghostship

If we go out looking to finish second it sends out a negative mindset. Basically it says that we are scared of facing France/Germany in the 2nd round so when we come to play one of them in the quarter finals, should we get there, then France/Germany will have an advantage over us by knowing that we are mentally scared of them.

Lets look to win the group and be brave if we want to win the thing then we have to play the best anyway so its foolish to try and mess around with the result tomorrow.

Just no. The early exit and the players bowing in the quarters to get their rest before the vigours of the new season is a thing of the past.

Courage has nothing to do with it.

 

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 22 Jun 21 7.53am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

So England have qualified without kicking a ball and the Scots must win today.

Perhaps they will regret over celebrating a game they should have won.

C'mon Croatia

 


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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 22 Jun 21 9.15am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

So England have qualified without kicking a ball and the Scots must win today.

Perhaps they will regret over celebrating a game they should have won.

C'mon Croatia

Spicy

I think it's Scotland's 'small man' complex over England. They could have won the England game but settled.

No settling today, it's score more than they do or hometime.

 


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View silvertop's Profile silvertop Flag Portishead 22 Jun 21 9.16am Send a Private Message to silvertop Add silvertop as a friend

You know I am having a re-think.

Yeah I get national mood and the impetus that comes with a run of good wins. But that is mentally and physically draining for players who, all bar one, play in the most intensive league in the world. Their energy levels need to be spread more thinly than those from other top leagues. Conservation, motivation and points is a hard balance and going all out would upset that balance.

However, my Euro wallchart is too fine print and I overlooked one vital factor. Location. Come second and we would possibly play Sweden... in Copenhagen. We would still win in the dullest match in Euro history; but at what cost? Any hope of conserving finite energy gone with the vigours of travel and playing against a full house who do not support you.

By contrast, get past the heavyweight opponents in the knockout at Wembley and we progress to the QF and possibly beyond; with the possibility of having played 6 of the 7 games at Wembley if we get to the final.

Tricky one this. Glad I can leave this to the huge IT heavy cohort of experts and England HQ to try and steer the right course.

 

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View ASCPFC's Profile ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 22 Jun 21 12.19pm Send a Private Message to ASCPFC Add ASCPFC as a friend

Suddenly Mount and Chilwell need to self isolate.

 


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View Frickin Saweet's Profile Frickin Saweet Flag South Cronx 22 Jun 21 12.31pm Send a Private Message to Frickin Saweet Add Frickin Saweet as a friend

Originally posted by ASCPFC

Suddenly Mount and Chilwell need to self isolate.

Hopefully it will force Southgate's hand to make positive changes to the line-up. Or will he see 'risk' and continue to play with two holding midfielders?

Would love to see him drop one of Rice or Philips (purely tactical, they've both played well) and play an additional forward-minded player to assist the attack.

I have a feeling he might just still play both Rice and Philips and give one license to push further forward, which isn't really addressing the current problem.

 

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View CrazyBadger's Profile CrazyBadger Flag Ware 22 Jun 21 2.08pm Send a Private Message to CrazyBadger Add CrazyBadger as a friend

Originally posted by Frickin Saweet

Hopefully it will force Southgate's hand to make positive changes to the line-up. Or will he see 'risk' and continue to play with two holding midfielders?

Would love to see him drop one of Rice or Philips (purely tactical, they've both played well) and play an additional forward-minded player to assist the attack.

I have a feeling he might just still play both Rice and Philips and give one license to push further forward, which isn't really addressing the current problem.

Grealish will come in as a straight swap for Mount.

Trippier will play (hopefully on The right) to take Set peices.

or at least, thats what I'm expecting

Edited by CrazyBadger (22 Jun 2021 2.08pm)

 


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View EverybodyDannsNow's Profile EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 22 Jun 21 2.24pm Send a Private Message to EverybodyDannsNow Add EverybodyDannsNow as a friend

Originally posted by Frickin Saweet

Hopefully it will force Southgate's hand to make positive changes to the line-up. Or will he see 'risk' and continue to play with two holding midfielders?

Would love to see him drop one of Rice or Philips (purely tactical, they've both played well) and play an additional forward-minded player to assist the attack.

I have a feeling he might just still play both Rice and Philips and give one license to push further forward, which isn't really addressing the current problem.

Agree - perfect game to give Bellingham a go surely?

Expect it will be Grealish straight in for Mount and then hopefully one of Rice/Phillips with Bellingham the other side.

Maguire rumoured to be in for Mings as well.

He’s got to take the shackles off a bit, this is as much or a free hit as you can get

 

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