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View Pete53's Profile Pete53 Flag Hassocks 27 Jun 21 1.44pm Send a Private Message to Pete53 Add Pete53 as a friend

Originally posted by Lanzo-Ad

I cannot understand why anyone thinks its a bad thing that the contract situation is bad, its 11 players,
Sakho, Batshuayi ,Clyne, Dann, Wickham, PVA, McCarthy, Ward, Hennessey, Townsend And Cahill,
Only the last too might be worth keeping
The other players are finished anyway, The saving on wages is 700k a week, 37million a year,
There is some very good young players knocking on the door, Partially in my view Rich-Baghuelou, Rak-Sakyi and Hannam,
3 loan stops are available, CD, RB, AM,
All is not Awful, if it is Cooper (who wouldn't be my Choice) he must be backed 100% by Players, Staff, and fans until he has been given a fair chance

Hopefully you are correct in what you say, but it will be a challenge to replace all those departing ( although admittedly we don't know yet how many will go) with Premier League standard players.

There is a question mark regards the promising Academy players and whether they are good enough to step up, so I am not sure we can rely upon them. A for loans, yes that is an option, but our record on bringing in effective loanees hasn't been that great.

As such we are still going to have to spend in the transfer market and whether adequate funds will be available to buy in several quality players looks doubtful. It wouldn't be so bad if we had the backbone of a good side to build on but we don't ( particularly if Wilf goes and Eze is unfit for the time being) and there lies the problem.

 

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View NEILLO's Profile NEILLO Flag Shoreham-by-Sea 27 Jun 21 1.51pm Send a Private Message to NEILLO Add NEILLO as a friend

Originally posted by Swindy

'NEILLO'
How many players have gone straight into the first team from the academy in this premiership stay ?? That will be Wan-Bissaka then, who then had to be sold to balance the books !! Previous comments apply on that one.
If you read my first post properly, you will see that I did in fact say that I realise we have no divine right to be where we are but it should feel as if were a club with a better standing than those newly-promoted !

I think you’re missing the point about the Academy.

It’s only recently been invested in and upgraded to Cat1 status. This in turn will attract the better players to the club that we have previously missed out on. If that means we produce players that can go into our first team and then generate substantial transfer fees then those are big steps towards a sustainable future. If you don’t see that as a positive then we will just have to disagree.

 


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View Swindy's Profile Swindy Flag Bromley 27 Jun 21 3.03pm Send a Private Message to Swindy Add Swindy as a friend

Again if you look at my initial post I didn't say it wasn't a positive.
A club like ours is not going to blood academy players at this level frequently - we have seen they prefer to go with the finished article.
Historically our young players have been used more frequently after 2 successive relegations and overspending or at the time of the first administration when there was little else available.
2 players now from the academy (irrespective of the level it has been granted) being brought through to the first team since Wilf's debut in August 2010 (and one of those sold with the funds not being used to revamp the team) is not a lot to shout about.
However, had we spent (or if we subsequently spend) more time in the Championship, then the academy would be more of an asset and would most likely be significantly drawn on particularly as any extended stay tends to see available funds and better players dwindling, which you can starkly see with the Championship and to a lesser extent league 1 being stuffed with failed premiership teams.

 

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View NEILLO's Profile NEILLO Flag Shoreham-by-Sea 27 Jun 21 3.08pm Send a Private Message to NEILLO Add NEILLO as a friend

Originally posted by Swindy

Again if you look at my initial post I didn't say it wasn't a positive.
A club like ours is not going to blood academy players at this level frequently - we have seen they prefer to go with the finished article.
Historically our young players have been used more frequently after 2 successive relegations and overspending or at the time of the first administration when there was little else available.
2 players now from the academy (irrespective of the level it has been granted) being brought through to the first team since Wilf's debut in August 2010 (and one of those sold with the funds not being used to revamp the team) is not a lot to shout about.
However, had we spent (or if we subsequently spend) more time in the Championship, then the academy would be more of an asset and would most likely be significantly drawn on particularly as any extended stay tends to see available funds and better players dwindling, which you can starkly see with the Championship and to a lesser extent league 1 being stuffed with failed premiership teams.

I looked at your original post.

You are looking at things from a historical perspective.

I am looking at the future.

 


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View Swindy's Profile Swindy Flag Bromley 27 Jun 21 3.14pm Send a Private Message to Swindy Add Swindy as a friend

Then I am possibly speaking from a position of strength - there would have to be relegation or a complete change of playing ethos for our young players to be playing in numbers or regularly in a Palace side in the Premiership.

 

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View NEILLO's Profile NEILLO Flag Shoreham-by-Sea 27 Jun 21 3.34pm Send a Private Message to NEILLO Add NEILLO as a friend

Originally posted by Swindy

Then I am possibly speaking from a position of strength - there would have to be relegation or a complete change of playing ethos for our young players to be playing in numbers or regularly in a Palace side in the Premiership.

You aren't speaking from a position of strength.

You are speaking from past experience. Which I am not contesting.

But there is absolutely no point in making the kind of investment that Palace have in their Academy unless the future plan is to produce better quality players that are capable of competing for first team places and that could bring in a revenue stream.

Have you missed the conversations on here around the topic on the likes of Lampard or Cooper's ability to work with and develop young players ?

 


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View doombear's Profile doombear Flag Too far from Selhurst Park 27 Jun 21 4.49pm Send a Private Message to doombear Add doombear as a friend

Originally posted by NEILLO

I think you’re missing the point about the Academy.

It’s only recently been invested in and upgraded to Cat1 status. This in turn will attract the better players to the club that we have previously missed out on. If that means we produce players that can go into our first team and then generate substantial transfer fees then those are big steps towards a sustainable future. If you don’t see that as a positive then we will just have to disagree.


We already have attracted a better quality of youngster, hence the success of our youngsters in their first season in a higher, tougher league.

Several youngsters moved to us from other academies last summer when Cat 1 status was confirmed, including Reece Hannam who some of us (who have regularly watched the U23s) think is ready to be given a chance in the first team. There are others in both the development squad and the Academy who may well be able to step up in the next 12 months or so.

Consequently, I'm on your side in this debate with Swindy. I don't think one can compare our past few decades of bringing through youngsters with the structure we are developing.

 

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View orpingtoneagle's Profile orpingtoneagle Flag Orpington 27 Jun 21 5.10pm Send a Private Message to orpingtoneagle Add orpingtoneagle as a friend

I agree we cannot ignore the fact that those out of contract are all players towards the end - or arguably at the end of their top flight careers, but they do form a considerable part of our match day squads in recent seasons. The academy may be the answer but I see that as being a while away. It needs to itself develop and grow into its new catagory one status.

We have I think seen in our recent lack of cup runs where we have played some fringe players just how thin our squad is and losing this many players this much experience is I feel an issue.

 

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View Swindy's Profile Swindy Flag Bromley 27 Jun 21 5.11pm Send a Private Message to Swindy Add Swindy as a friend

That remains to be seen.
Cooper & Lampard may indeed have had some success with young players but in different circumstances, Cooper at a lower level and Lampard at a club with slightly more clout than Palace to compensate should things not work. Neither could be said to be a raging success at their respective clubs.
Neither are nailed on to come to Palace and it is unknown that in the event they should, whether circumstances would allow.

 

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View NEILLO's Profile NEILLO Flag Shoreham-by-Sea 27 Jun 21 5.25pm Send a Private Message to NEILLO Add NEILLO as a friend

Originally posted by Swindy

That remains to be seen.
Cooper & Lampard may indeed have had some success with young players but in different circumstances, Cooper at a lower level and Lampard at a club with slightly more clout than Palace to compensate should things not work. Neither could be said to be a raging success at their respective clubs.
Neither are nailed on to come to Palace and it is unknown that in the event they should, whether circumstances would allow.

Yes, well everything remains to be seen !

I just wouldn't let the past be a blocker to seeing the club's future strategy, which as Doombear has already pointed out, is already bearing fruit.

 


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View Swindy's Profile Swindy Flag Bromley 27 Jun 21 5.42pm Send a Private Message to Swindy Add Swindy as a friend

Nothing gets past you !!
But I wouldn't hold your breath too much - the way prospects are looking for this season currently and given recent history.
Yes it is a developing Academy which in time could be significant and yes I saw the U23 semi and final and yes players like Hannam look, in time as if they will develop into potential regular first team players but they are just not going to be thrown in en masse into a likely relegation scrap.

 

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View OldFella's Profile OldFella Flag London 30 Jun 21 9.18am Send a Private Message to OldFella Add OldFella as a friend

Originally posted by sprites

Nice one old fella. Can’t say I’ve been called a Wally for a while. I’ll take it.

Respect, sprites. COYP.

 


Jackson.. Wan Bissaka.... Sansom.. Nicholas.. Cannon.. Guehi.... Zaha... Thomas.. Byrne... Holton.. Rogers.. that should do it..

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