Is Labour leadership challenge a real possibility

HKOwen Hong Kong 29 Jun 21 7.26am
quite a lot of noise from all sides of Labour Party that if the Batley and Spen by election is a bad loss then there will be a leadership challenge. Dawn Butler has been front and centre. Would Rayner have a go? What do the Labour supporting people on here think? I can't see that changing leader so far from a General Election would be a worth while exercise. Then again, there could be a snap election in a year or so when Covid is off the front pages and the economy bounces back with high growth numbers as predicted by most economists. Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.
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HKOwen

Hong Kong 29 Jun 21 7.26am

quite a lot of noise from all sides of Labour Party that if the Batley and Spen by election is a bad loss then there will be a leadership challenge. Dawn Butler has been front and centre.

Would Rayner have a go?

What do the Labour supporting people on here think?

I can't see that changing leader so far from a General Election would be a worth while exercise.

Then again, there could be a snap election in a year or so when Covid is off the front pages and the economy bounces back with high growth numbers as predicted by most economists.

Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

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beak croydon 29 Jun 21 9.10am
Originally posted by HKOwen quite a lot of noise from all sides of Labour Party that if the Batley and Spen by election is a bad loss then there will be a leadership challenge. Dawn Butler has been front and centre. Would Rayner have a go? What do the Labour supporting people on here think? I can't see that changing leader so far from a General Election would be a worth while exercise. Then again, there could be a snap election in a year or so when Covid is off the front pages and the economy bounces back with high growth numbers as predicted by most economists. It won't happen. Starmer is a bit dull.Eventually the wheel will turn and Johnson and his lies and treatment of ex wives/partners will be seen as abhorrent and Starmer will be the morally acceptable choice.
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beak

croydon 29 Jun 21 9.10am

Originally posted by HKOwen

quite a lot of noise from all sides of Labour Party that if the Batley and Spen by election is a bad loss then there will be a leadership challenge. Dawn Butler has been front and centre.

Would Rayner have a go?

What do the Labour supporting people on here think?

I can't see that changing leader so far from a General Election would be a worth while exercise.

Then again, there could be a snap election in a year or so when Covid is off the front pages and the economy bounces back with high growth numbers as predicted by most economists.

It won't happen. Starmer is a bit dull.Eventually the wheel will turn and Johnson and his lies and treatment of ex wives/partners will be seen as abhorrent and Starmer will be the morally acceptable choice.

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gambler Kent 29 Jun 21 9.24am
Originally posted by beak It won't happen. Starmer is a bit dull.Eventually the wheel will turn and Johnson and his lies and treatment of ex wives/partners will be seen as abhorrent and Starmer will be the morally acceptable choice. Labour are so far away from Government. Starmer wont be around by the time they get a sniff. Does modern Britain care about politician's personal behaviour any more?
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gambler

Kent 29 Jun 21 9.24am

Originally posted by beak

Labour are so far away from Government. Starmer wont be around by the time they get a sniff.

Does modern Britain care about politician's personal behaviour any more?

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beak croydon 29 Jun 21 12.52pm
Originally posted by gambler Labour are so far away from Government. Starmer wont be around by the time they get a sniff. Does modern Britain care about politician's personal behaviour any more? Don't take a bet on it Gambler. Having a bare faced liar as Prime Minister may in time hack off a lot of voters, he continually lies to the electorate and that is a dangerous game to play.
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beak

croydon 29 Jun 21 12.52pm

Originally posted by gambler

Labour are so far away from Government. Starmer wont be around by the time they get a sniff.

Does modern Britain care about politician's personal behaviour any more?

Don't take a bet on it Gambler. Having a bare faced liar as Prime Minister may in time hack off a lot of voters, he continually lies to the electorate and that is a dangerous game to play.

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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 29 Jun 21 2.47pm
I expect a leadership challenge. However, I don't expect a Labour government anytime soon. Or ever, until they completely overhaul the party so that it actually represents poorer people, regardless of race, religion and sexuality. Red and Blue Army!
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ASCPFC

Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 29 Jun 21 2.47pm

I expect a leadership challenge. However, I don't expect a Labour government anytime soon. Or ever, until they completely overhaul the party so that it actually represents poorer people, regardless of race, religion and sexuality.

Red and Blue Army!

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Stirlingsays 29 Jun 21 2.57pm
Originally posted by ASCPFC I expect a leadership challenge. However, I don't expect a Labour government anytime soon. Or ever, until they completely overhaul the party so that it actually represents poorer people, regardless of race, religion and sexuality. I make you right. To be fair to Labour their leadership rules are a better reflection of their membership base and as such I find that hard to criticise. The reality is however, that outside the cities and minority strongholds they are going to be rather limited until the demographics change enough. Personally, I see them going for the dishonest option of cloaking language rather than looking to change any of their policies significantly.......I can't really see them changing their leadership rules. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

29 Jun 21 2.57pm

Originally posted by ASCPFC

I make you right.

To be fair to Labour their leadership rules are a better reflection of their membership base and as such I find that hard to criticise.

The reality is however, that outside the cities and minority strongholds they are going to be rather limited until the demographics change enough.

Personally, I see them going for the dishonest option of cloaking language rather than looking to change any of their policies significantly.......I can't really see them changing their leadership rules.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Matov 29 Jun 21 5.44pm
If Labour loses this by-election then a leadership challenge is a nailed-on cert. Dawn Butler is being touted as the Lefts challenger but I cannot see it. Would love for her to stand and win because the LOLZ would be magnificent but I don't see where she has the wider backing. Rayner is the only one I can see stepping up. She has the big Unions on her side and can probably be seen as the candidate that both the Left and Right of the party can probably get behind the most. "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.
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Matov

29 Jun 21 5.44pm

If Labour loses this by-election then a leadership challenge is a nailed-on cert.

Dawn Butler is being touted as the Lefts challenger but I cannot see it. Would love for her to stand and win because the LOLZ would be magnificent but I don't see where she has the wider backing.

Rayner is the only one I can see stepping up. She has the big Unions on her side and can probably be seen as the candidate that both the Left and Right of the party can probably get behind the most.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

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cryrst The garden of England 29 Jun 21 8.32pm
Originally posted by beak Don't take a bet on it Gambler. Having a bare faced liar as Prime Minister may in time hack off a lot of voters, he continually lies to the electorate and that is a dangerous game to play. What are his continual lies? I mean the ones that would affect me or even your good self directly. Not the ones that you feel are morally wrong as that would be a matter of personal opinion I guess. The covid PPE and contracts are exceptional choices in exceptional times. As needs must. Where are the lies because if what you say is as bad as you are portraying it he would be gone. Look at Hancock for an IE to that.
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cryrst

The garden of England 29 Jun 21 8.32pm

Originally posted by beak

Don't take a bet on it Gambler. Having a bare faced liar as Prime Minister may in time hack off a lot of voters, he continually lies to the electorate and that is a dangerous game to play.

What are his continual lies? I mean the ones that would affect me or even your good self directly. Not the ones that you feel are morally wrong as that would be a matter of personal opinion I guess.
The covid PPE and contracts are exceptional choices in exceptional times. As needs must.
Where are the lies because if what you say is as bad as you are portraying it he would be gone.
Look at Hancock for an IE to that.

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Hrolf The Ganger 29 Jun 21 9.15pm
Originally posted by beak It won't happen. Starmer is a bit dull.Eventually the wheel will turn and Johnson and his lies and treatment of ex wives/partners will be seen as abhorrent and Starmer will be the morally acceptable choice. Haha. Yes, the moral Labour Party. Hilarious stuff.
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29 Jun 21 9.15pm

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Originally posted by beak

Haha.

Yes, the moral Labour Party.

Hilarious stuff.

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CPFC1965 Warrington 29 Jun 21 9.49pm
Starmer has done nothing since taking the leadership, except losing Hartlepool. Yet another London centric MP relying on long standing supporters to vote tradionally irrespective of where he's taking the party. Corbyn, the chosen one, lost the red wall. Starmer makes feeble threats to the government and doesn't follow through. His MPs take the moral high ground, always in hindsight. Labour under Blair and Brown gave us a bankrupt nation and ultimately Austerity. Corbyn refused to accept that the majority of Labour supporters actually wanted to leave the EU. Have Labour apologised for either of these two events and the answer is no. Until someone openly apologises, admits the party's previous errors, there is no trust. The Red Wall isn't in London, It's in the North.
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CPFC1965

Warrington 29 Jun 21 9.49pm

Starmer has done nothing since taking the leadership, except losing Hartlepool. Yet another London centric MP relying on long standing supporters to vote tradionally irrespective of where he's taking the party.

Corbyn, the chosen one, lost the red wall. Starmer makes feeble threats to the government and doesn't follow through. His MPs take the moral high ground, always in hindsight.

Labour under Blair and Brown gave us a bankrupt nation and ultimately Austerity. Corbyn refused to accept that the majority of Labour supporters actually wanted to leave the EU. Have Labour apologised for either of these two events and the answer is no.

Until someone openly apologises, admits the party's previous errors, there is no trust. The Red Wall isn't in London, It's in the North.

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HKOwen Hong Kong 30 Jun 21 12.49am
I expect Beak just forgot the " in my opinion " Originally posted by cryrst What are his continual lies? I mean the ones that would affect me or even your good self directly. Not the ones that you feel are morally wrong as that would be a matter of personal opinion I guess. The covid PPE and contracts are exceptional choices in exceptional times. As needs must. Where are the lies because if what you say is as bad as you are portraying it he would be gone. Look at Hancock for an IE to that. Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.
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HKOwen

Hong Kong 30 Jun 21 12.49am

I expect Beak just forgot the " in my opinion "

Originally posted by cryrst

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