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Sir James Hird  Mount Martha 05 Jul 21 8.02am |
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Thrilled that Patrice is now our manager.
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 PatrickA  London 05 Jul 21 8.03am |
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This could almost be as bad.
Originally posted by becky
Or maybe it was the other way round, and PV saw how Palace were under RH and felt that there could be a better opportunity for him later than taking this challenge.
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| Badger11 Beckenham 05 Jul 21 8.07am |
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Originally posted by Slimey Toad
The more people bang on about the importance of having black managers, to the point of it being a serious issue that has to be dealt with, then the more aggro is caused when black players don't apply to be one or fail and are sacked. One of the reasons that black players don't apply to become managers is that they don't want to and I can't blame them. This also applies to white players but it's not noticed as much. I think being a PL manager is a terrible job because of the 24 x 7 grief due to media attention. If you are a multi millionaire why bother with all that? I also wonder how many foreign born black players retire go back home and start coaching there they of course don't get included in the figures. Anyway these days it's a particular subset of players that still have the mindset to want to be a high profile football manager with as much grief as you can handle. Then of course there are the qualifications, UEFA B license and the experience at a lower league club I seem to recall one PL chairman saying that he got an ear bashing from a retired world class black player about lack of opportunity due to racism etc. He offered the player the chance to come to the club learn the trade get coaching badges and see how it goes. The player wasn't interested unless the chairman guaranteed him the managers job. In other words give me the job then I will get the qualifications. In fairness to PV he has done all this and deserves his shot but many players (all colours) will moan but they are not prepared to put the effort in to learn the trade. Just because you are a qualified to teach it doesn't mean you should be given the job of headmaster at Eton first of all you need to become a head elsewhere. Anyway I don't want PV to be judged as the black manager just as a manager, our manager for better or worse. Edited by Badger11 (05 Jul 2021 8.09am)
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| Badger11 Beckenham 05 Jul 21 8.13am |
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I haven't seen this anywhere apologies if someone has already post. PV to bring Osian Roberts as his No 2
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| doombear Too far from Selhurst Park 05 Jul 21 8.21am |
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Originally posted by PatrickA
Ed Aarons in the Guardian is reporting today that discussions were held about the job with Vieira back in April.
Furthermore, unlike at least one other contender PV didn't throw his toys out of the pram when he learned he wasn't first choice. I think that says a lot about a man who whilst having been a world-class player (and he undoubtedly was) recognizes that that doesn't give him a divine right to be first pick as a manager.
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Lanzo-Ad  Lanzarote 05 Jul 21 8.23am |
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I am very pleased with the appointment and the post appointment comments regarding the academy and young players, he will get instant respect from the players and i am sure has got a lot of contacts, maybe wanting him has been going on longer than we new, maybe Mateta had a hand in his signing, who knows
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| sydtheeagle England 05 Jul 21 8.24am |
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I think we all need to be measured in our reactions. We now have a manager. All we can do is get behind him, whether personally you're excited or not. The fact is, we need to be ready for a rocky start. Vieira has come in late, has a fairly sizeable squad rebuild on his hands, and furthermore is almost certain to be implementing a new style of play. It'll likely be Christmas before this is really his team, bedded-in and playing his way. There's no point hiring Vieira if a couple of early losses result in panic. Of course, it may all gel from the very start but it's unlikely if we're being realistic. What I want to see is a sense of direction, progress, and excitement over the next month or two. More than anything else, I want to enjoy and be excited about going to Selhurst which hasn't been easy in light of the fare we've served up in the past couple of seasons. I want to see a team that tries to win games rather than just avoid losing them. I want to see a team that wants the ball, rather than letting the other team dominate possession and getting organised behind then. In the end, Vieira was a world-class player who led by example and won everything in the game (at least everything that matters). He's had a solid if not superlative start to his managerial career. We could have done better; could have done a lot worse. He's a decent hire. A slight risk, yes, but risks have upsides.
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| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 05 Jul 21 8.28am |
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Originally posted by sydtheeagle
I think we all need to be measured in our reactions. We now have a manager. All we can do is get behind him, whether personally you're excited or not. The fact is, we need to be ready for a rocky start. Vieira has come in late, has a fairly sizeable squad rebuild on his hands, and furthermore is almost certain to be implementing a new style of play. It'll likely be Christmas before this is really his team, bedded-in and playing his way. There's no point hiring Vieira if a couple of early losses result in panic. Of course, it may all gel from the very start but it's unlikely if we're being realistic. What I want to see is a sense of direction, progress, and excitement over the next month or two. More than anything else, I want to enjoy and be excited about going to Selhurst which hasn't been easy in light of the fare we've served up in the past couple of seasons. I want to see a team that tries to win games rather than just avoid losing them. I want to see a team that wants the ball, rather than letting the other team dominate possession and getting organised behind then. In the end, Vieira was a world-class player who led by example and won everything in the game (at least everything that matters). He's had a solid if not superlative start to his managerial career. We could have done better; could have done a lot worse. He's a decent hire. A slight risk, yes, but risks have upsides. Hear Hear.
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| doombear Too far from Selhurst Park 05 Jul 21 8.34am |
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Originally posted by sydtheeagle
I think we all need to be measured in our reactions. We now have a manager. All we can do is get behind him, whether personally you're excited or not. The fact is, we need to be ready for a rocky start. Vieira has come in late, has a fairly sizeable squad rebuild on his hands, and furthermore is almost certain to be implementing a new style of play. It'll likely be Christmas before this is really his team, bedded-in and playing his way. There's no point hiring Vieira if a couple of early losses result in panic. Of course, it may all gel from the very start but it's unlikely if we're being realistic. What I want to see is a sense of direction, progress, and excitement over the next month or two. More than anything else, I want to enjoy and be excited about going to Selhurst which hasn't been easy in light of the fare we've served up in the past couple of seasons. I want to see a team that tries to win games rather than just avoid losing them. I want to see a team that wants the ball, rather than letting the other team dominate possession and getting organised behind then. In the end, Vieira was a world-class player who led by example and won everything in the game (at least everything that matters). He's had a solid if not superlative start to his managerial career. We could have done better; could have done a lot worse. He's a decent hire. A slight risk, yes, but risks have upsides.
Edited by doombear (05 Jul 2021 8.36am)
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PortugueseEagle  Gravesend 05 Jul 21 8.35am |
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Originally posted by sydtheeagle
I think we all need to be measured in our reactions. We now have a manager. All we can do is get behind him, whether personally you're excited or not. The fact is, we need to be ready for a rocky start. Vieira has come in late, has a fairly sizeable squad rebuild on his hands, and furthermore is almost certain to be implementing a new style of play. It'll likely be Christmas before this is really his team, bedded-in and playing his way. There's no point hiring Vieira if a couple of early losses result in panic. Of course, it may all gel from the very start but it's unlikely if we're being realistic. What I want to see is a sense of direction, progress, and excitement over the next month or two. More than anything else, I want to enjoy and be excited about going to Selhurst which hasn't been easy in light of the fare we've served up in the past couple of seasons. I want to see a team that tries to win games rather than just avoid losing them. I want to see a team that wants the ball, rather than letting the other team dominate possession and getting organised behind then. In the end, Vieira was a world-class player who led by example and won everything in the game (at least everything that matters). He's had a solid if not superlative start to his managerial career. We could have done better; could have done a lot worse. He's a decent hire. A slight risk, yes, but risks have upsides.
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| Eaglecoops CR3 05 Jul 21 9.03am |
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Originally posted by sydtheeagle
I think we all need to be measured in our reactions. We now have a manager. All we can do is get behind him, whether personally you're excited or not. The fact is, we need to be ready for a rocky start. Vieira has come in late, has a fairly sizeable squad rebuild on his hands, and furthermore is almost certain to be implementing a new style of play. It'll likely be Christmas before this is really his team, bedded-in and playing his way. There's no point hiring Vieira if a couple of early losses result in panic. Of course, it may all gel from the very start but it's unlikely if we're being realistic. What I want to see is a sense of direction, progress, and excitement over the next month or two. More than anything else, I want to enjoy and be excited about going to Selhurst which hasn't been easy in light of the fare we've served up in the past couple of seasons.I want to see a team that tries to win games rather than just avoid losing them. I want to see a team that wants the ball, rather than letting the other team dominate possession and getting organised behind then. In the end, Vieira was a world-class player who led by example and won everything in the game (at least everything that matters). He's had a solid if not superlative start to his managerial career. We could have done better; could have done a lot worse. He's a decent hire. A slight risk, yes, but risks have upsides. This is what I want to see. It remains to be seen whether the players are actually good enough to implement it.
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HKOwen  Hong Kong 05 Jul 21 9.11am |
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I think it's irrelevant. Which PL clubs are not in culturally diverse cities and towns? Are you suggesting that teams should have players that reflect the demographics of the community in which they are based?
And I did not say it's not positive. I would repeat that in my view identity politics has no place in sport Originally posted by Vaibow
You don't think it's a positive that there is a BAME manager in the prem, particularly for a club that comes from a culturally diverse community and itself a strong advocate for BAME players? Edited by HKOwen (05 Jul 2021 9.14am)
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