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 Stirlingsays  06 Jul 21 2.30pm |
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Originally posted by silvertop
No given there are 3.7 million EU citizens working and living here the issue is very much current. Like I say, while there are economic arguments and loyalty arguments, Foreign Europeans aren't causing the kind of problems I referred to.
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| Badger11 Beckenham 06 Jul 21 2.56pm |
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Originally posted by silvertop
No given there are 3.7 million EU citizens working and living here the issue is very much current. 5.8m according to the figures I saw a few days ago.
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| silvertop Portishead 06 Jul 21 4.51pm |
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Originally posted by Badger11
5.8m according to the figures I saw a few days ago. ...of applications to remain. Many are from those who happily live and reside abroad and have no intention of coming here but want an insurance to travel here visa free to visit their granny etc. No guarantee they will get what they want, either.
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| silvertop Portishead 06 Jul 21 4.54pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Like I say, while there are economic arguments and loyalty arguments, Foreign Europeans aren't causing the kind of problems I referred to. ...which takes us neatly back to Tom's post that started all this, no? The kind of problems you refer to are now largely unsolvable, only perhaps manageable, save the kind of 1930s approach that this country has not gone for at home since the Reformation.
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| Spiderman Horsham 06 Jul 21 5.05pm |
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Originally posted by silvertop
...of applications to remain. Many are from those who happily live and reside abroad and have no intention of coming here but want an insurance to travel here visa free to visit their granny etc. No guarantee they will get what they want, either. EU nationals can visit the UK for up to 6 months without a visa, providing they meet the visitor criteria under Immigration Rules, Those who want a residence status will need to provide evidence that they have resided here prior to 31/12/2020 Edited by Spiderman (06 Jul 2021 5.06pm)
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| Stirlingsays 06 Jul 21 6.21pm |
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Originally posted by silvertop
...which takes us neatly back to Tom's post that started all this, no? The kind of problems you refer to are now largely unsolvable, only perhaps manageable, save the kind of 1930s approach that this country has not gone for at home since the Reformation. Perhaps....For me I stand on the opposite side of the street from the kind of elitist globalism that screws nations and the working people within them....the elitist globalism that increasingly turns cities into international entities and crime hubs with ever less identity and connection to their country. So while I know that the process is now irreversible I'm not going to bow my head and shut up. Social liberalism has been a wrecking ball and I'm going to complain everytime a brick falls.....because we were never asked.
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| steeleye20 Online Croydon 09 Jul 21 10.16am |
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The UK’s Brexit “divorce bill” is €47.5bn (£40.8bn) according to estimates from Brussels that are higher than the government’s forecasts. The first tranche, €6.8bn, is due for payment by the end of the year. The final bill, buried in the European Union’s consolidated annual accounts for 2020, is significantly higher than an earlier estimate from the UK’s fiscal watchdog. Brexit, the gift that keeps on giving. To Brussels that is, 'Go whistle' indeed......
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| Stirlingsays 09 Jul 21 10.35am |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
The UK’s Brexit “divorce bill” is €47.5bn (£40.8bn) according to estimates from Brussels that are higher than the government’s forecasts. The first tranche, €6.8bn, is due for payment by the end of the year. The final bill, buried in the European Union’s consolidated annual accounts for 2020, is significantly higher than an earlier estimate from the UK’s fiscal watchdog. Brexit, the gift that keeps on giving. To Brussels that is, 'Go whistle' indeed......
You just live to bite the hand that feeds you. Edited by Stirlingsays (09 Jul 2021 10.37am)
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| Tom-the-eagle Croydon 09 Jul 21 11.19am |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
The UK’s Brexit “divorce bill” is €47.5bn (£40.8bn) according to estimates from Brussels that are higher than the government’s forecasts. The first tranche, €6.8bn, is due for payment by the end of the year. The final bill, buried in the European Union’s consolidated annual accounts for 2020, is significantly higher than an earlier estimate from the UK’s fiscal watchdog. Brexit, the gift that keeps on giving. To Brussels that is, 'Go whistle' indeed......
It’s like any divorce, initially messy and expensive but once things calm down, things are generally better than they were. Happy days ahead
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Orange1290  09 Jul 21 11.49am |
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Originally posted by Tom-the-eagle
It’s like any divorce, initially messy and expensive but once things calm down, things are generally better than they were. Happy days ahead
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| silvertop Portishead 09 Jul 21 11.56am |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
The UK’s Brexit “divorce bill” is €47.5bn (£40.8bn) according to estimates from Brussels that are higher than the government’s forecasts. The first tranche, €6.8bn, is due for payment by the end of the year. The final bill, buried in the European Union’s consolidated annual accounts for 2020, is significantly higher than an earlier estimate from the UK’s fiscal watchdog. Brexit, the gift that keeps on giving. To Brussels that is, 'Go whistle' indeed......
That's just part of the story. Brexiteers forecast a brave new world of increased trade and prosperity. If that transpires (post Covid) then these payments will be offset and probably vanish against a positive shift in the balance of payments and increased tax revenue etc. On the other hand, if the "project fear" projections are even close to reality, then this payment could be a drop in the ocean when compared to all the losses this country suffers as a consequence of leaving the EU. On which, "Go whistle". Great political soundbite that galvanized the populist wave behind Brexit, but this country would be complete morons to default on a payment it has agreed to pay. This is particularly when it is engaged in trade discussions with the recipient who happen to be our geographical neighbours, with whom we remain inextricably interwoven in many ways, and - whether falling or not - remain by far our biggest trading partners.
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| steeleye20 Online Croydon 09 Jul 21 12.00pm |
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Originally posted by Orange1290
Yes and the figure of 16 billions is wrong. It is 9.4 billions after the rebate and 5.2 billions the EU paid to us.
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