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Originally posted by sickboy

Meant managers in the first line

 

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Originally posted by sickboy

Thanks willo.
I honestly believe we have got to the final despite the manager, not because of him.
Not playing Foden ,when fit, is negligence.
As if Southgate knows better than Pep.
Saka in front of Sancho?
Klinsmann thought not.
Our most consistent / best player has been Kyle Walker , by a mile.
If TAA had been fit he wouldn't have been in the squad despite being ,probably, the best defender in the PL all season.
Maguire and Shaw have been good and Stones very good.
Notice that the most praise you can level is on the defenders, despite having 2 holding midfielders in front and a wealth of attacking talent.
We need a coach to match the squad.

What utter and absolute drivel? Barely worth dignifying with a response - if someone has 1000 difficult things to do and does 997 of them perfectly, and the other three not quite so well of course you ignore the 997 and focus on the three cos it makes you feel less of a loser. We had them on toast for half an hour, like v Croatia in 2018, but didn't take full advantage when ascendant - the 3-4-3 totally discombobulated Mancini and the Italians, Trippier had acres of space, their midfield couldn't take control, their full backs and wide forwards couldn't link up, Kane was dropping deep to avoid Chielini/Bonucci - then they started to play with more width and got back into it. I agree Southgate waited for them to equalise and was reactive rather than proactive - the players looked too tired to attack sometimes but we were getting into a rut from chasing the ball so much, we did manage to snap out of it and start attacking again late in the game and change should have happened earlier, I don't know why Mount is ahead of Grealish and thought he should come on earlier, but the manager has his reasons, and when his reasoning proves consistently superior to mine or any one else on here you have to give him some slack and some respect, unless you are a clueless child. I think Shaw (what a player!) and Grealish should have taken the third and fourth pens but professor hindsight is the cleverest man in the world - Mancini outdid Southgate tactically over 120 mins, but to say the coach was the difference id b*ll*x - Southgate pulled the rug from under him with the team he picked - we need to look at how players like Veratti control the game, he almost did to us what Pirlo did in the 2012 Euros - amazing football intelligence.

 

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Originally posted by ex hibitionist

What utter and absolute drivel? Barely worth dignifying with a response - if someone has 1000 difficult things to do and does 997 of them perfectly, and the other three not quite so well of course you ignore the 997 and focus on the three cos it makes you feel less of a loser. We had them on toast for half an hour, like v Croatia in 2018, but didn't take full advantage when ascendant - the 3-4-3 totally discombobulated Mancini and the Italians, Trippier had acres of space, their midfield couldn't take control, their full backs and wide forwards couldn't link up, Kane was dropping deep to avoid Chielini/Bonucci - then they started to play with more width and got back into it. I agree Southgate waited for them to equalise and was reactive rather than proactive - the players looked too tired to attack sometimes but we were getting into a rut from chasing the ball so much, we did manage to snap out of it and start attacking again late in the game and change should have happened earlier, I don't know why Mount is ahead of Grealish and thought he should come on earlier, but the manager has his reasons, and when his reasoning proves consistently superior to mine or any one else on here you have to give him some slack and some respect, unless you are a clueless child. I think Shaw (what a player!) and Grealish should have taken the third and fourth pens but professor hindsight is the cleverest man in the world - Mancini outdid Southgate tactically over 120 mins, but to say the coach was the difference id b*ll*x - Southgate pulled the rug from under him with the team he picked - we need to look at how players like Veratti control the game, he almost did to us what Pirlo did in the 2012 Euros - amazing football intelligence.

Nope your wrong.
It's not drivel it's the truth.
Southgate failed.
Again.
He's not up to the job.

 

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Originally posted by ex hibitionist

What utter and absolute drivel? Barely worth dignifying with a response - if someone has 1000 difficult things to do and does 997 of them perfectly, and the other three not quite so well of course you ignore the 997 and focus on the three cos it makes you feel less of a loser. We had them on toast for half an hour, like v Croatia in 2018, but didn't take full advantage when ascendant - the 3-4-3 totally discombobulated Mancini and the Italians, Trippier had acres of space, their midfield couldn't take control, their full backs and wide forwards couldn't link up, Kane was dropping deep to avoid Chielini/Bonucci - then they started to play with more width and got back into it. I agree Southgate waited for them to equalise and was reactive rather than proactive - the players looked too tired to attack sometimes but we were getting into a rut from chasing the ball so much, we did manage to snap out of it and start attacking again late in the game and change should have happened earlier, I don't know why Mount is ahead of Grealish and thought he should come on earlier, but the manager has his reasons, and when his reasoning proves consistently superior to mine or any one else on here you have to give him some slack and some respect, unless you are a clueless child. I think Shaw (what a player!) and Grealish should have taken the third and fourth pens but professor hindsight is the cleverest man in the world - Mancini outdid Southgate tactically over 120 mins, but to say the coach was the difference id b*ll*x - Southgate pulled the rug from under him with the team he picked - we need to look at how players like Veratti control the game, he almost did to us what Pirlo did in the 2012 Euros - amazing football intelligence.

What you've recognised is the English tendency to give up the ascendency, as though everyone sh!ts themselves when they go ahead early in a big game. Instead of having a mindset to carry on and finish it off, we retreat and retreat - as if frightened of victory. The outcome is then inevitable, as passes go astray and clearances all give possession back to the opposition. This was, as you say, the case v Croatia in 2018 and again on Sunday, but we can go back many years and find previous examples. Although I don't want to get into a slagging off of Southgate, the coach must surely take responsibility for the prevalence of such a mindset.

 


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Originally posted by Tom-the-eagle

This team doesn’t need a manager, it’ needs a physicist.

They need help to believe

England's hopes of winning anything always disappear into a black hole.

 


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Originally posted by OldFart

Well done England for getting as far as you did but when will modern players learn how to kick the ball 12 yards into the back of the goal. Instead of running up and kicking the ball so many seem to try to be too clever, stumble, stutter and end up with a very weak shot.

Indeed, but it's funny how many 'too clever' penalties always seem to end up in the back of the England net.

 


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Originally posted by sickboy

Thanks willo.
I honestly believe we have got to the final despite the manager, not because of him.
Not playing Foden ,when fit, is negligence.
As if Southgate knows better than Pep.
Saka in front of Sancho?
Klinsmann thought not.
Our most consistent / best player has been Kyle Walker , by a mile.
If TAA had been fit he wouldn't have been in the squad despite being ,probably, the best defender in the PL all season.
Maguire and Shaw have been good and Stones very good.
Notice that the most praise you can level is on the defenders, despite having 2 holding midfielders in front and a wealth of attacking talent.
We need a coach to match the squad.

Hmm, where to start ?
Foden played some nice stuff occasionally, but when Saka was put on vs Czechs we looked more dangerous.
I'd have played Foden instead of Mount - especially in the Final.
and you've just compared ManC and their billions of foreign talent to England. Don't give a jot what Pep thinks of Foden it's a different team with a different style.
Saka in front of Sancho? maybe JK didn't agree, but GS gave Saka gametime, and he impressed a lot in that game so he persisted. A big tick for GS that.
Also, Sancho has done a whole load of sweet FA in an England shirt. He may look dangerous, but he isn't... yet. Surprised, though, that he didn't get (more) game time in the final, when maybe he was needed to cause chaos, or simply be a different threat.
TAA best defender in the league ? thought he was bang average all season. And how can you criticise GS for picking Walker over someone else when he turned out to be 'our most consistent/best player'

Maguire, Shaw, Stones all excellent agreed. but so were Phillips, Saka and Sterling. also, Shaw as a wingback may as well be part of the attack.

For my money, GS didn't make any glaring errors all tournament.. until the 2nd half vs Italy. then he made loads, the biggest that he failed to do anything.
Foden and Grealish(probably) needed to come on before they equalised.
Extra Time should have seen a whole new, young attacking midfield and Frontline - afterall that's where our strength lies on the bench. Could you imagine the fresh Legs of some/all of Sancho/Bellingham/Rashford/Chilwell/Foden/Grealish in any combination running at the Tiring Italians?

This is where he failed.
I'm not saying that GS is the best manager in the world - but to say that he had nothing to do with our getting to the final seems a little off.

We have a coach to match the squad - both squad and coach are learning.

 


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