Still waiting for my compo from the Vikings, Romans and the Normans.

Of course in the bill to be presented to the UK they never deduct all the investment we have made over hundreds of years.

Edited by Badger11 (13 Jul 2021 8.08am)

That's the Danish, Italians and the French then.

Don't forget the original Scots from the North of Ireland who plundered Caledonia way back and made them all wear kilts and play bagpipes.

But you just said: "I don't accept ANY historical accounts written by those who won".
How many constitute a 'sufficient number of survivors'?
Presumably Mrs Livingstone is not enough in witnessing her husband's beheading.
You also said "so much is recorded but as we know that can be faked, edited and manipulated to tell pretty much whatever story you want", yet you readily accept film of 'people being herded onto cattle trucks'. To be consistent, surely you should say that does not prove that they went on to be murdered?
However, consistency does not appear to be your strong point does it.

Maybe the holocaust is history for you, but I was born during WW2. I listened to the stories of survivors. I saw the pictures of the camps. I have talked to those who have visited them. That's not history. It's contemporary evidence capable of personal evaluation, resulting in the ability to reach an informed conclusion.

You don't have anything like that regarding "Mrs Livingstone". All that exist are second, third and fourth hand reports from sources that could easily either be completely inventing them or presenting them in ways that support their narrative.

There is not a shred of inconsistency there. One event has genuine evidence, which taken together gives a great deal of confidence to the veracity of a conclusion. The other doesn't.

Logical thinking doesn't appear to be your strong point, does it?

So, only events that you have had personally described to you by participants can be accepted as true?

No. Genuine evidence that can be trusted and verified is what matters. If you see and hear it yourself, then that is very helpful, but you can make judgements in other ways. Without any real evidence, you have nothing at all to have any confidence in, and what tends to happen is that you believe what you want to believe.