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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 05 Aug 21 5.02pm
Originally posted by eagleman13 How much does Owen's charge? Tom might be interested I think it's about 25k for 80 minutes. But I guess it's much less for 5. Red and Blue Army!
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Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 05 Aug 21 5.02pm

Originally posted by eagleman13

How much does Owen's charge?

Tom might be interested

I think it's about 25k for 80 minutes. But I guess it's much less for 5.

Red and Blue Army!

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jeeagles 05 Aug 21 5.19pm
Originally posted by ASCPFC Terrible decision to start with Owens at hooker. He's an average hooker at best. George a far better option for a big game. Cowan-Dickey over George. Could be governed by all the s*** lineouts last week? But I can't see why you wouldn't just try and hit Itoji every time. Terrible selection in general. Everyone gets a turn regardless of merit. (In contrast Southgate came out and praised the players that couldn't get a game during the Euro's to manage the squad and continued selecting his strongest side). Much as I don't like him. I'd probably move Farrell into 12 and play this back line: Davis, Biggar, Adams, Farrell, Daly, Watson, Hogg. That ought to be solid enough 9 through 12 to hold them off whilst able to deal with any high ball that Pollard loves, plus offer a lot of threat. Aki, Henshaw, and Smith on the bench ready to mix things up. For forwards, the game changed in the first test when we played Maku, Owens, and Sinkler. Start with them. Plus, Itoji, Henderson, Lawes, Curry, Simmonds.
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05 Aug 21 5.19pm

Originally posted by ASCPFC

Terrible decision to start with Owens at hooker. He's an average hooker at best. George a far better option for a big game.

Cowan-Dickey over George.

Could be governed by all the s*** lineouts last week? But I can't see why you wouldn't just try and hit Itoji every time.

Terrible selection in general. Everyone gets a turn regardless of merit. (In contrast Southgate came out and praised the players that couldn't get a game during the Euro's to manage the squad and continued selecting his strongest side).

Much as I don't like him. I'd probably move Farrell into 12 and play this back line:

Davis, Biggar, Adams, Farrell, Daly, Watson, Hogg.

That ought to be solid enough 9 through 12 to hold them off whilst able to deal with any high ball that Pollard loves, plus offer a lot of threat.

Aki, Henshaw, and Smith on the bench ready to mix things up.

For forwards, the game changed in the first test when we played Maku, Owens, and Sinkler. Start with them. Plus, Itoji, Henderson, Lawes, Curry, Simmonds.

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sickboy Deal or Croydon 07 Aug 21 5.59pm
Imo a tour to far for Gatland. 3rd test result irrelevant. It's been a shyte watch, which the Lions should never be. Going in the 2 form half backs were Danny Care and Ben Spencer, but wg is very stuck in his ways. Etc etc
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Deal or Croydon 07 Aug 21 5.59pm

Imo a tour to far for Gatland.
3rd test result irrelevant.
It's been a shyte watch, which the Lions should never be.
Going in the 2 form half backs were Danny Care and Ben Spencer, but wg is very stuck in his ways.
Etc etc

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sickboy Deal or Croydon 07 Aug 21 7.15pm
Rubbish by Gatland. Poor squad selection compounded by poor test selection. I know someone on here doesn't rate Faz bot How the fcuk you can't have him in the match day squad is incompetence. Same goes for Anthony Watson. Ronan o'Gara rates Farnell up with Johno and Dallaglio as a leader and says he would love to work with him. Who next as Lions coach? ROG gets my vote atm
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Deal or Croydon 07 Aug 21 7.15pm

Rubbish by Gatland.
Poor squad selection compounded by poor test selection.
I know someone on here doesn't rate Faz bot How the fcuk you can't have him in the match day squad is incompetence.
Same goes for Anthony Watson.
Ronan o'Gara rates Farnell up with Johno and Dallaglio as a leader and says he would love to work with him.
Who next as Lions coach?
ROG gets my vote atm

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jeeagles 07 Aug 21 10.39pm
Poor decision making from the top down. We had a real chance to get 12 years worth of bragging rights. You simply don't go for the corner when then score is tight. Thought we really had a team that could take on the world champions. Lost due to stupidity rather than skill. I wouldn't have taken Care. England are very week at 9. He's not the solution. O'Gara really f*ed up in the last Lion's test in SA. Came on as a sub in one of the first two tests and everything he touched turned to s* (can't quite remember clearly which one). I have too say. I dont rate Farrell either. The guy is simply too thick to read a game and change a plan when its not working. Biggar is pretty steady. Sexton is past it. Russell can be superb but is prone to an over enthusiastic decision (kicking the ball away when you are drawing with 3 minutes on the clock). Not seen much of Spencer, but if he's been behind Wigglesworth in the pecking order at club level for that many years then its going to be difficult to get in the Lion's team. As for the next coach. It's pretty much the same suggestion as ever. Rob Baxter.
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07 Aug 21 10.39pm

Poor decision making from the top down.
We had a real chance to get 12 years worth of bragging rights.

You simply don't go for the corner when then score is tight.

Thought we really had a team that could take on the world champions. Lost due to stupidity rather than skill.

I wouldn't have taken Care. England are very week at 9. He's not the solution.

O'Gara really f***ed up in the last Lion's test in SA. Came on as a sub in one of the first two tests and everything he touched turned to s*** (can't quite remember clearly which one).

I have too say. I dont rate Farrell either. The guy is simply too thick to read a game and change a plan when its not working. Biggar is pretty steady. Sexton is past it. Russell can be superb but is prone to an over enthusiastic decision (kicking the ball away when you are drawing with 3 minutes on the clock).

Not seen much of Spencer, but if he's been behind Wigglesworth in the pecking order at club level for that many years then its going to be difficult to get in the Lion's team.

As for the next coach. It's pretty much the same suggestion as ever. Rob Baxter.

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sickboy Deal or Croydon 08 Aug 21 7.10pm
Look what ROG has done at La Rochelle. Talented coach. Care has been in inspired form the past season, and driven Quinns to the prem title. Murray 2 years ago was the best 9 on the planet. Been crap for the last year not even paddies first choice. Wigglesworth was superb for sarnies but EJ ignored him for the one dimensional Youngs ,and DC because he dared question him. Biggar is also one dimensional. He thre 3 passes in the 2nd test. 3. That's a disgrace. Faz is well regarded by teammates and coaches, so I don't know where you get the thick thing from. Northern accent maybe.
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Deal or Croydon 08 Aug 21 7.10pm

Look what ROG has done at La Rochelle.
Talented coach.
Care has been in inspired form the past season, and driven Quinns to the prem title.
Murray 2 years ago was the best 9 on the planet.
Been crap for the last year not even paddies first choice.
Wigglesworth was superb for sarnies but EJ ignored him for the one dimensional Youngs ,and DC because he dared question him.
Biggar is also one dimensional.
He thre 3 passes in the 2nd test.
3. That's a disgrace.
Faz is well regarded by teammates and coaches, so I don't know where you get the thick thing from. Northern accent maybe.

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jeeagles 08 Aug 21 9.42pm
Originally posted by sickboy Look what ROG has done at La Rochelle. Talented coach. Care has been in inspired form the past season, and driven Quinns to the prem title. Murray 2 years ago was the best 9 on the planet. Been crap for the last year not even paddies first choice. Wigglesworth was superb for sarnies but EJ ignored him for the one dimensional Youngs ,and DC because he dared question him. Biggar is also one dimensional. He thre 3 passes in the 2nd test. 3. That's a disgrace. Faz is well regarded by teammates and coaches, so I don't know where you get the thick thing from. Northern accent maybe. ROG has done well. But he's not Director of Rugby yet and its only 1 season. Baxter has won everything at club level. We'll see in 4 years time. I'm glad it won't be Gatland though. Also agree that Murrey (and Sexton) have lost it. Appart from his temperament, Farrell's biggest issue is that he can't adapt if the game plan needs to change. The draw with Scotland a few years ago highlighted that, but the issue has occured on a number of occasions. He's also been playing Championship rugby for a season. Going into the 6N, England's pack are phenomenal. The back line is lacking between scrum half and outside centre.
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08 Aug 21 9.42pm

Originally posted by sickboy

ROG has done well. But he's not Director of Rugby yet and its only 1 season. Baxter has won everything at club level. We'll see in 4 years time. I'm glad it won't be Gatland though.

Also agree that Murrey (and Sexton) have lost it.

Appart from his temperament, Farrell's biggest issue is that he can't adapt if the game plan needs to change. The draw with Scotland a few years ago highlighted that, but the issue has occured on a number of occasions. He's also been playing Championship rugby for a season.

Going into the 6N, England's pack are phenomenal. The back line is lacking between scrum half and outside centre.

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