Yep. Its how this corruption stuff works. One of the reasons I never really kick up much of a fuss about over-seas aid. It probably saves more British jobs, £ for £, than most other schemes.

Problem is that both sides of the game like to maintain the pretence that it is actually going to help poor people. Always makes me smile when we 'donate' money to countries with their own space programmes. That is pure kick-backs for defence and construction projects.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

Quite, I don't get it, it defies logic.

I get 'saving our taxpayer's dollars' and 'bringing our boys back home', but surely the american public is well used to all that stuff by now.

Apparently not.

My own take on this is that it became Biden's personal mission, and took him over, to the extent that he would prosecute it regardless of reason or cost.

But why has it been so badly handled? All I can see is that it is yet another example of chaos being deliberately created.

For example, there is clearly a UK briefing operation going on tonight which is implying they do not trust the USA with regards to how long they intend to carry on with this evacuation operation.

And also, unverified I must stress, reports of tension on the ground between UK and US forces with supposedly UK forces venturing outside of the Airports perimeter to get people to safety whilst the US hunkers down inside. Now that could well be just the usual BS but I mention it because it only adds to this chaos model I keep on seeing repeated.

Whatever the reasoning, at the moment it is looking like a highly organised f*** up.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

It's difficult to really find out what is going on. From what I can make out it's 2 Para, US private security operatives, and also French special forces, venturing out into Kabul to pick people from pre-designated collection points.

There seems to be a joint UK-Irish emphasis with them gathering up anybody else eligible to fly out along the way. The Yanks (82nd Airborne) on the ground, and especially the rank and file, are HIGHLY f***ed off that they are being forbidden from joining in and supposedly a lot of tension between UK and US officers with even claims that 2Para have had to set up and effective observation point in case the US just decides to high-tail it out of there.

But this is only from a variety of reports and claims on social media so please treat it accordingly.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

Come say that to my face.

It's easy to talk tough on here.

I was off, but you couldn't help yourself could you.

Edited by Stirlingsays (19 Aug 2021 12.56am)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

I haven't flounced off....you just can't shut up with the personal stuff.

You started waffling about the physical stuff not me. As I said If you have a problem with me use the DMs.

Otherwise play the ball, and debate.....because while I have no issues with a bit of this...it's indulgent and others don't want endless bickering....but you just can't leave it.

It's like you want the cards. Well, I don't.

Edited by Stirlingsays (19 Aug 2021 1.11am)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)