So you haven’t actually opened your house to anyone yet? Are you Lily Allen?

He decides his conclusion and then cherry picks and shoehorns his ‘facts’ and ‘statistics’ in to fit his preordained conclusion. It’s a masterclass in selective analysis. For someone who used to be a teacher it’s an insane approach to try to argue a point. If I ever handed in a piece of coursework like it then it would be quite rightly sent back ungraded.

Edited by DanH (10 Sep 2021 10.58pm)

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Not so pv, in the 50"s it was people, plenty of men and women, my own folks came over from Ireland, lots of the females trained as nurses, blokes went in the building game. The west indian ladies also trained as nurses, and the blokes in London went on the underground or on the railways.

Very honest, you write "more convenient half-truths and lies" and then provide some lies and half-truths.

Germany was rebuilt by many different people and actions. And as you say undoubtedly the major factor was massive US investment. Because of the rapid growth, there was a labour shortage and that is why people from Turkey etc were invited to come to Germany from 1950 onwards. (Around 7 million Germans had been killed in the war, roughly 9% of the population).

You place an emphasis on non-European immigration. I suppose we would have to define what is Europe and what is not. Certainly, in the case of East Germany, a large amount of labour came from the USSR and Poland.

Japan's post-war economic miracle ended in 1990 with the 'Bubble' economy. The causes of this collapse are multiple but a shortage of labour is one of them. Japan has been seeking to deal with this since then. A succession of increasingly poor prime ministers and administrations have brought the Japanese economy to the moribund state that prevails today. Without the immigration of the past two decades, it would be worse.

You are incorrect regarding the visa status of workers now coming to Japan. It was the case that workers were only allowed to stay for short periods but that has now changed. The changes this has brought to Japan and the Japanese workforce are very positive. It is evident on every street in Tokyo and other big cities that Japan is changing rapidly into a country where non-Japanese are welcomed and accepted as a part of society.

Suga and his predecessor Abe have made many statements about immigration. These are their own prejudiced views and not representative of more general views in society. One has gone and the other is going, a new generation of politicians with more liberal ideas is arriving with realistic views of how to solve japan's problems. Most recognise that immigration will have to be a part of Japan's future.

Ever increasing the population numbers via immigration is a pyramid scheme anyway as immigrants get old too.

Edited by Stirlingsays (10 Sep 2021 11.54pm)