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 kuge  Peckham 11 Sep 21 12.03am |
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Thanks Dan. So much for what I occasionally read here (when passing through to check on football stuff) is horribly ill-informed. Posts that purport to be based on knowledge but are just hollow notions should be challenged. I wish that I had more time and energy to do this. (Over thirty years of visiting and living in Japan, been to Germany too). Originally posted by DanH
Yeah sorry for the confusion. Your posts are factual, informative and seemingly based on some actual real life experience of Japan too.
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Stirlingsays Online  11 Sep 21 12.06am |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
We really are creating a vicious circle for this ‘need’, as it’s called. This really p1sses me off, as we see young adults being thrown on the scrap heap or into dead end low skilled jobs. Then when there’s a shortage of certain labour from immigrants, the usual idiots moan, without a second’s thought about the people being ignored in the past and now. Our leaders have steered the ship with all the forward thinking of a Captain Smith on the weed.
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PalazioVecchio  south pole 11 Sep 21 12.09am |
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- ageing population - employers cannot get workers the solution ? immigration ? Like putting petrol on the flames. like putting
Eze Peasy at Anfield.... |
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| Stirlingsays Online 11 Sep 21 12.11am |
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Originally posted by kuge
Thanks Dan. So much for what I occasionally read here (when passing through to check on football stuff) is horribly ill-informed. Posts that purport to be based on knowledge but are just hollow notions should be challenged. I wish that I had more time and energy to do this. (Over thirty years of visiting and living in Japan, been to Germany too). I'm happy for anyone objective on this matter to read our exchange and gauge who was more interested in accuracy. Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Sep 2021 12.15am)
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| DanH SW2 11 Sep 21 12.20am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I provided two links to actual facts in response to his points on Japan. He has provided no links to any 'facts'. Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Sep 2021 12.00am) Did you even read your own link? “the Japanese public is more concerned about emigration – how many people choose to leave Japan – than immigration, or how many enter the country.” “While the public tends to view emigration as a problem, most are comfortable with recent immigration trends.” “Three-quarters of the Japanese public believes immigrants currently in their country want to adopt Japanese customs rather than remain distinct from the rest of society. A majority also believes that immigrants make Japan stronger through hard work and the talents they possess. Only about a third see immigrants as a burden who take jobs or rely on social benefits.”
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| Stirlingsays Online 11 Sep 21 12.25am |
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Originally posted by DanH
Did you even read your own link? “the Japanese public is more concerned about emigration – how many people choose to leave Japan – than immigration, or how many enter the country.” “While the public tends to view emigration as a problem, most are comfortable with recent immigration trends.” “Three-quarters of the Japanese public believes immigrants currently in their country want to adopt Japanese customs rather than remain distinct from the rest of society. A majority also believes that immigrants make Japan stronger through hard work and the talents they possess. Only about a third see immigrants as a burden who take jobs or rely on social benefits.” Yes I read it. As stated, most immigration into Japan is regional, is low anyway and not an issue....in fact it's been declining since 2019. As stated only 23 percent of Japanese want to increase immigration, which is statistically low anyway. And as far as I'm aware it's very hard to naturalise as Japanese as a European or African, so unless that changes Japan won't be changing much for a very long time. My stated point to you that Britain never needed post war commonwealth immigration to rebuild citing both Germany and Japan is clearly accurate. What specifically am I wrong about? As for Japan, I've received no rebuttals to my points, which had nothing to do with my post WW2 anyway, that have held up.....I've asked for links as evidence against my points and received none. Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Sep 2021 12.33am)
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| DanH SW2 11 Sep 21 12.34am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Yes I read it. As stated, most immigration into Japan is regional, is low anyway and not an issue....in fact it's been declining since 2019. As stated only 23 percent of Japanese want to increase immigration, which is statistically low anyway. And as far as I'm aware it's very hard to naturalise as Japanese as a European or African, so unless that changes Japan won't be changing much for a very long time. My stated point to you that Britain never needed post war commonwealth immigration to rebuild citing both Germany and Japan is clearly accurate. What specifically am I wrong about? As for Japan, I've received no rebuttals to my points that have held up.....I've asked for links as evidence against my points and received none. Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Sep 2021 12.30am) How on Earth have you proven that we didn’t need post-war commonwealth immigration with what you have posted? You posted ‘evidence’ on Japan that didn’t even back your own point up. So funny how you think of yourself as some sort of enlightened intellect.
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| Stirlingsays Online 11 Sep 21 12.47am |
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Originally posted by DanH
How on Earth have you proven that we didn’t need post-war commonwealth immigration with what you have posted? You posted ‘evidence’ on Japan that didn’t even back your own point up. So funny how you think of yourself as some sort of enlightened intellect. With the point that Japan rebuilt after WW2 without requiring significant non Japanese immigration....Yet Japan was significantly more damaged than we were...and even that's an understatement. How many times do I have to make that clear? In fact even simple logic tells you that most countries rebuilt post WW2 this same way.....statistically it would have to be. There has been significant over hype on the impact of immigrants upon UK rebuilding post WW2. I asked you what specific point have I made that my link somehow disproves. Once again you avoid an actual response. That link was in response to Kuge's post about attitudes in Japan and the reality is that the majority don't want any increase. Just as is the fact that what immigration they do have is low and majority regional.
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| DanH SW2 11 Sep 21 12.56am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
With the point that Japan rebuilt after WW2 without requiring significant non Japanese immigration....Yet Japan was significantly more damaged than we were...and even that's an understatement. How many times do I have to make that clear? In fact even simple logic tells you that most countries rebuilt post WW2 this same way.....statistically it would have to be. There has been significant over hype on the impact of immigrants upon rebuilding post WW2. I asked you what specific point have I made that my link somehow disproves. Once again you avoid an actual response. That link was in response to Kuge's post about attitudes in Japan and the reality is that the majority don't want any increase. Just as is the fact that what immigration they do have is low and majority regional.
Have you actually read much about the US’s involvement about post-war Japan is that another part of history you’re happy to gloss over to fit your nationalist narrative?
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| Stirlingsays Online 11 Sep 21 12.58am |
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Originally posted by DanH
Have you actually read much about the US’s involvement about post-war Japan is that another part of history you’re happy to gloss over to fit your nationalist narrative? Of course I have. Unlike you I don't have to run to Google on every point made. What is your specific point? ....Again, it's noted that you have yet again failed to answer on actual specifics. Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Sep 2021 1.02am)
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| DanH SW2 11 Sep 21 1.05am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Of course I have. Unlike you I don't have to run to Google on every point made. What is your specific point? That although you like to think so it wasn’t just like the Japanese rallied round, looked at each other and thought ‘let’s just fix this ourselves’. They were heavily restricted in what they could, and more pertinently, couldn’t do. A lot of their immigration hesitancy has been a result of this, and (quite rightly) having anti-western suspicion in the way they have operated. My specific point when it comes to you is that you glibly dismiss really important parts of history when it comes to understanding why the world is as it is right now. You’re far too simplistic when it is an extremely nuanced world.
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| Stirlingsays Online 11 Sep 21 1.17am |
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Originally posted by DanH
That although you like to think so it wasn’t just like the Japanese rallied round, looked at each other and thought ‘let’s just fix this ourselves’. They were heavily restricted in what they could, and more pertinently, couldn’t do. A lot of their immigration hesitancy has been a result of this, and (quite rightly) having anti-western suspicion in the way they have operated. My specific point when it comes to you is that you glibly dismiss really important parts of history when it comes to understanding why the world is as it is right now. You’re far too simplistic when it is an extremely nuanced world. Japan's attitude on immigration wasn't just in relation to the west like you seem to imply, but was widespread to all foreigners. The Japanese rebuilt Japan, they didn't have Marshall aid money but did receive US money. There was no significant non Japanese immigration needed to run their society..The US army came and left..when the infrastructure was rebuilt it was run by the Japanese...it's just true. My point was specific and answered this over hyped notion you seem committed to on what had to happen after WW2 for rebuilding. Now you appear to want to widen the goal posts and talk about how history should be perceived. This then becomes highly subjective territory. We have conversed on this before.....I'm not being rude Dan, but is there really anything more to add?
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