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View rikz's Profile rikz Flag Croydon 23 Sep 21 9.04am Send a Private Message to rikz Add rikz as a friend

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

The point is you’ve no idea what effect racist abuse has on people, because you’ve never had to experience it. There are plenty of people who have experienced it who would tell you it had a transformative effect on them, but you’re happy to tell them they’re wrong.

How are you at an advantage as an ethnic minority?

There's probably loads of ginger people who have experienced abuse because of the colour of their hair, you've no idea how much its effected them let's make GLM and take one knee.

Positive action which is just a different name for positive discrimination.

 

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View EverybodyDannsNow's Profile EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 23 Sep 21 9.25am Send a Private Message to EverybodyDannsNow Add EverybodyDannsNow as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Kriss Donald experienced it.

I experienced a broken bone from it growing up in Brixton.

How transformative is that?

The only pleasure I get from the future is the shock so many are going to get when they realise that Eastenders isn't a documentary.

I’d say very, based on what I know of your politics. Good example.

 

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Originally posted by croydon proud

Caterham, surely not?You better not say anything to them Rudi, some can speak english! My mate and I got in a lift, he was inside for 4 years and I had watched that barlinnie programme the nite before, I said to him, "would you go to barlinnie right now, for a year, for £100 grand? The burka clad lady looked at him for an answer, he said, "barlinnie is a prison in scotland". She said "oooooooooooohhhhh, you dont need to tell me where barlinnie is mate, im from Glassssgow! " Made us crack up, and just goes to show, never judge a book etc etc.

Whilst working in pakistan I undertook a field trip in the depths of Mirpur, together with a Welsh Colleague. We were in a compound of a house talking to a female inhabitant ( only allowed as our interpreter was female). A chap appeared at the gate and asked in the broadest Brummie accent “What’s going on here lads?” Said colleague “we are minding our own business” Brummie thought this was hilarious had a good chuckle, wished us well and went on his way.

 

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jeeagles Flag 23 Sep 21 11.13am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Kriss Donald experienced it.

I experienced a broken bone from it growing up in Brixton.

How transformative is that?

The only pleasure I get from the future is the shock so many are going to get when they realise that Eastenders isn't a documentary.

Kriss Donald murderers were imprisoned for life for racially aggravated murder, relatively swiftly. And in context, this disgusting act was in response to another racist attack. Where as we all know the murder of the likes of Stephen Lawrence wasn't dealt with as swiftly or effectively. There is an obvious inequality about how the police dealt with these two murders.

That said, I'm sorry to here about the bad experiences you had growing up in Brixton. I remember growing up we had issues in Croydon, especially on buses where being the only white people, myself and my brother were targeted. However, we'd also have white people start rows with us for having the wrong school uniform too. However, these interactions with were with a small number of wronguns who spent their time loitering the streets. It was not representative of the whole community. Most decent people from all backgrounds would have been at home minding their own business.

Most of these social issues appear to happen in areas of high poverty. Prejudices amplify the issue. Take Northern Ireland as an example, the issues their only occur in the poorest areas where everyone is claiming they are treated unfairly.

The way to deal with the issue isn't to provide preferential treatment to some, and therefore treating others as second class citizens, based on peoples ethnic background. That will just make existing problems worse.

As for Eastender's. I haven't seen it in over a very long time, but isn't the general premise that a bunch of west ham fans all going around cheating on each others partners whilst two small time bald thugs keep causing trouble.... Now the local pub is run by Danny Dyer I hear. Hardly part of our culture that we want to preserve?

 

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Online Flag 23 Sep 21 12.22pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by jeeagles

Kriss Donald murderers were imprisoned for life for racially aggravated murder, relatively swiftly. And in context, this disgusting act was in response to another racist attack. Where as we all know the murder of the likes of Stephen Lawrence wasn't dealt with as swiftly or effectively. There is an obvious inequality about how the police dealt with these two murders.

If you go to the Wikipedia page on this murder it highlights criticisms made on the Police and especially media responses over this case. I could add to it with more information but it's depressing.

Indeed, the only organisation worthy of praise during these now expected responses were the actions of the pakistani police.

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As for suggesting that a 'racist attack' was a motivating factor, have you any evidence that this supposed event was racist? Or that it even happened? I highly doubt it.

As for comparing this to Lawrence. I remember looking at the Police response to that and I regarded it as more incompetence than anything else. The Police's problem was evidence and they moved heaven and earth to convict those murderers....which they did...didn't they even change the sentencing law because they were juveniles at the time? Also, I remember the institutional response to the case....masses of it all over the media for years. The mother put into the house of lords, media discussions on racist, a governmental report introducing the 'institutional racism' nonsense.....something that conveniently required no proof other than opinion.

Try comparing that to the response to Kriss Donald's murder. To me, the institutional response to Donald's racist murder had a lot to do with its response to Lawrence's.

Before I move on, I just want to highlight that 'mother in the house of lords' response....Looking at other racist murders, was Donald's mother offered that? Or PC Blakelock's?

Oh and remember Blakelock shines a light on the Police responses to this stuff. As the murder of one of their own kind of kicks into touch this desire by untouchable elites to blame everything on 'racism'. Look at that murder and see how well the Police did in getting justice on that? Seems to me that if the Police were actually racist it would have been far easier for them. The actual racists there were the community of blacks involved.

Originally posted by jeeagles

That said, I'm sorry to here about the bad experiences you had growing up in Brixton. I remember growing up we had issues in Croydon, especially on buses where being the only white people, myself and my brother were targeted. However, we'd also have white people start rows with us for having the wrong school uniform too. However, these interactions with were with a small number of wronguns who spent their time loitering the streets. It was not representative of the whole community. Most decent people from all backgrounds would have been at home minding their own business.

Most of these social issues appear to happen in areas of high poverty. Prejudices amplify the issue. Take Northern Ireland as an example, the issues their only occur in the poorest areas where everyone is claiming they are treated unfairly.

I wouldn't disagree with a lot there. Poverty obviously causes a lot of social and crime issues. It's hardly an excuse though as poverty is a societal constant and before mass immigration we had lower crime rates. For example, half of all knife crime now comes from London.

Originally posted by jeeagles

The way to deal with the issue isn't to provide preferential treatment to some, and therefore treating others as second class citizens, based on peoples ethnic background. That will just make existing problems worse.

No one I know is suggesting that you treat individuals worse because of race.....for example black social conservatives don't tend to run into problems with white social conservatives.

The arguments put forward are on historical and ancestral rights to countries. No different to what the Dalai Lama said on the issue or indeed no different to the immigration and right to stay policies that exist all around the world, for example Japan or Israel or indeed Hungary and Poland in Europe.....they value and understand social cohesion. They have decided against your apparent path of squaring the circle for acceptability.

My stance, and that of far more notable others, is anti the form of globalism and 'global village' social liberalism that the western elites and their bandwagon supporting cast have chosen. That's the nub of it.

Edited by Stirlingsays (23 Sep 2021 1.14pm)

 


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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

I’d say very, based on what I know of your politics. Good example.

You ignored the points and just focused upon me. Ok, but all you have are stereotypes, which amuses me because that's what you're presumably meant to be against.

I went on from my experiences to teach many ethnic minorities. Every individual gets a right to individual treatment.

I just don't think you get it....you are perhaps far more comfortable putting your opposition into neat little boxes.

Edited by Stirlingsays (23 Sep 2021 12.33pm)

 


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Meanwhile...
Lukaku is dismayed to find that taking the knee isn't working.

So a pointless gesture that was bound to fail has failed.

Stand by for this to be an excuse for more media race baiting.

 

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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Meanwhile...
Lukaku is dismayed to find that taking the knee isn't working.

So a pointless gesture that was bound to fail has failed.

Stand by for this to be an excuse for more media race baiting.

It's almost as if they are just virtue signalling to themselves.

God forbid.

 


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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

It's almost as if they are just virtue signalling to themselves.

God forbid.

. . . & Marcus Alonso refuses to 'take the knee' anymore and will point to the badge on his sleeve. I wonder if the EPL will fine him? Also, 'thin edge of the wedge?'

 


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Originally posted by eagleman13

. . . & Marcus Alonso refuses to 'take the knee' anymore and will point to the badge on his sleeve. I wonder if the EPL will fine him? Also, 'thin edge of the wedge?'

First European to object.

You know what's coming from the usual suspects.

 


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Behold the face of racism in football.

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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

You ignored the points and just focused upon me. Ok, but all you have are stereotypes, which amuses me because that's what you're presumably meant to be against.

I went on from my experiences to teach many ethnic minorities. Every individual gets a right to individual treatment.

I just don't think you get it....you are perhaps far more comfortable putting your opposition into neat little boxes.

Edited by Stirlingsays (23 Sep 2021 12.33pm)

You used yourself as an example, then asked me a question about said experience, and then accuse me of focusing on you? Seriously?

Can you explain how I have stereotyped anyone or put them in a box?

it’s interesting that your upbringing went that way and your views have ended up where they are - it’s hardly ridiculous to think there is a correlation between the two.


Edited by EverybodyDannsNow (23 Sep 2021 2.10pm)

 

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