You are ruining all the threads with your constant adversarial nonsense.
Some of us have been doing this for a long time and have grown bored with squabbling with people like you. You are not impressive.

Relax. It's just a football site. I don't want to change your mind, and you have zero chance of changing mine (or Stirling's).

The obvious point is that using such phrases was common place back then. Now we have an increasing number of immigrants here, and they are influencing how we think.

It's clear that the use of such phrases was not intended to be offensive. I think it's fairly obvious when someone is trying to be.

Retrospective judgement of past attitudes is completely pointless in itself. It is all about controlling language and thoughts. Be careful what you wish for.

I would totally agree that GH probably didn't see it, or mean it as racist... but it was then, and is now. I don't blame him for saying it, but equally I'm thankful we've moved on a society and understand actually it's wrong.

Certainly increased exposure to different cultures and people through immigration has helped make us more worldly and aware of the feelings of others in regards language, but just like we've done with language and attitudes to women and equally those with disabilities, it also happens regardless of increased exposure to women or people with additional needs.

Having said that, even if there weren't more BAME individuals around, I think we would still be in a much better place. I grew up telling "*Pa*i jokes" in the playground, it was racist then and is still racist, but I don't need to be around more asian people to recognise that, so I don't agree with the tone of your point that it's like we've only changed because there are more of "them" around... I would like to think personal growth can happen even without that through other mechanisms, the media, social media, politics and events etc.

Edited by Ipswich Eagle (08 Oct 2021 1.29pm)

They've dug up a week old thread. I think they were fishing for a woke reaction where people would call Geoff Hurst racist. Unfortunate, Geoff Hurst isn't racist, he just made a racist comment. After the Euro's he went on the BBC making clear anti-racism statements.

I agree that it's obvious, and clear to most many on these board, is why time after time there's 3 posters that protest against any form of tolerance. Fortunately, their egos are too inflated to realise everyone see through it.

One of them described the abuse Zaha received as "hurty words". The disparity of the reactions between minor news articles and issues that effect Crystal Palace players just go to assist the reader to identify their agenda.

Anyway, I'm abroad, enjoying different cultures and seeing new things. Life's great, have an excellent weekend IE.

As an answer it's another very generalised statement.

You make that sociological statement yet it's pretty significant that working class white children are at the bottom of the education tables, it follows the funding....and been that way for years now yet there's very little concern shown.

Powell's statement rings true and I'm happy to debate specifics in any area you like.

Well, your point was general but this second one allows for actual focus.

You actually prove in your last two paragraphs how the 'whip hand' has indeed changed because the mainstream power structures would now destroy Hurst over what was essentially a generational language slip.

I would agree with you however....as it was originally stated that it's an unfortunate phrase of the past that's inappropriate.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Hurst would not say it now - therefore, the mainstream media would not destroy him.

I keep hearing stories that compared to urban areas, rural and costal areas with the highest percentage of white puples are struggling to attract good quality teachers.

Adding to that, large numbers of working class white parents take education for granted and treat schools like day care centres.