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View sa_eagle's Profile sa_eagle Flag Just outside Cape Town 04 Nov 21 8.26am Send a Private Message to sa_eagle Add sa_eagle as a friend

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

i reckon an Academy makes sense in League One or the Championship.

There is not much space in the Prem for untried question-mark kids. No matter how brilliant they are.

Seriously?!? So where would Zaha, Wan-Bissaka, Mitchell and a whole host of others have come from without the academy? Then there's PL2 Div 1 & Div 2 with our U23s playing in Div 1 and what about our sensational U18s?

Also, a few seasons ago the Prem was littered with Palace academy graduates like Moses, Clyne and several others.

Our academy makes perfect sense and even more so now it's Cat 1.


Edited by sa_eagle (04 Nov 2021 8.27am)

 


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View becky's Profile becky Flag over the moon 04 Nov 21 8.29am Send a Private Message to becky Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add becky as a friend

Originally posted by adrian b

Players have to live within 90 minutes (by public transport) of their youth team. The best way around this is to move a lad into the area of a club.
Accommodation and full time education is required, so to poach a players from another club needs those facilities, and they are expensive.

Brentford have three clubs almost within their part of West London and probably don't need to set up their own full academy. like Palace before, they probably have first dibs on young players at the other clubs in the area. It seems to be working.
Having an academy will stop a young player making the impassioned plea to mve to another academy with the same facilities and for any other academy to be able to claim superior facilities.
What Palace must do is ensure a young player has reason to feel he has that chance. Some clubs do it quite often and so must Palace.

The club do have (or certainly used to) a register of 'foster homes' in the cachement area for the younger players , usually older Mum's whose children have left home. The club pays them a monthly fee for bed and breakfast (all other meals at the Academy) and laundry etc., with the added bonus of them being able to provided a home-from-home experience and keep an eye on what they get up to!

 


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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 04 Nov 21 1.19pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by becky

The club do have (or certainly used to) a register of 'foster homes' in the cachement area for the younger players , usually older Mum's whose children have left home. The club pays them a monthly fee for bed and breakfast (all other meals at the Academy) and laundry etc., with the added bonus of them being able to provided a home-from-home experience and keep an eye on what they get up to!

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View Isley46's Profile Isley46 Flag Sanderstead 09 Nov 21 5.45pm Send a Private Message to Isley46 Add Isley46 as a friend

Originally posted by NEILLO

Just my view, but the ' real money ' is spent at a higher level than the 8-17 age groups. But the improved Academy gives those age groups something tangible to aim for as opposed to the rough and ready facilities the club has had in the past.

As for spending more money on youth scouts, well I can only speak from experience but I was only paid expenses when I was one ( not for Palace, I might add ). At the lower age groups I've seen kids go to several clubs without making it for one reason or another, it's a real ' churn ' at those levels, and indeed further up the age scales...where you have the Rak-Sakyis and Hannans of this world.

As a CAT 1 Academy Palace will receive around £4.75M from the EFL / PL each year to fund the running of the Academy.

The Academy is there to develop players for the future of the game (not just for Palace) hence the funding by the EFL/PL.
Players of all ages in the Academy are aware of this as it's stated many times throughout their football journey - the goal is to develop them into professional players and if Palace release them before scholarship / professional contracts for whatever reason then the club usually try to open doors with other clubs (the academy circuit is a very close knit community).


The main cost to Palace for the Academy has been the initial build and development - without which Palace could not compete for the best (and most lucrative sell on possibility) talent as most London PL clubs facilities were much more attractive to youngsters than training at Beckenham goals...Palace facilities can now favourably compete with Fulham at MP, Chelsea at Cobham, Arsenal at Hale end and Spurs at Enfield.

To give an indication of numbers of youth players, I think a CAT 1 Academy can register around 250 players within all age groups with the PL.

Once the fixed costs are covered / paid for the only running costs will be the day to day running expenses (food and maintenance), Coach travel to away games for the U16s to U18's - Many of the Academy coaches / physios / analysts / education dept are part time and coach in the evenings whilst doing other day jobs (external or within the club) or studying degrees. Kit & training kit will be covered by the sponsors.

Only major salaries to cover will be the 'Heads of' who run each Academy section.

A couple of high value sales of Academy graduates and the initial build outlay will be recovered and Palace will be sitting on a very valuable future asset.

Not sure if any of the above also affects FFP as well.

 

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View doombear's Profile doombear Flag Too far from Selhurst Park 09 Nov 21 6.07pm Send a Private Message to doombear Add doombear as a friend

Originally posted by Isley46

As a CAT 1 Academy Palace will receive around £4.75M from the EFL / PL each year to fund the running of the Academy.

The Academy is there to develop players for the future of the game (not just for Palace) hence the funding by the EFL/PL.
Players of all ages in the Academy are aware of this as it's stated many times throughout their football journey - the goal is to develop them into professional players and if Palace release them before scholarship / professional contracts for whatever reason then the club usually try to open doors with other clubs (the academy circuit is a very close knit community).


The main cost to Palace for the Academy has been the initial build and development - without which Palace could not compete for the best (and most lucrative sell on possibility) talent as most London PL clubs facilities were much more attractive to youngsters than training at Beckenham goals...Palace facilities can now favourably compete with Fulham at MP, Chelsea at Cobham, Arsenal at Hale end and Spurs at Enfield.

To give an indication of numbers of youth players, I think a CAT 1 Academy can register around 250 players within all age groups with the PL.

Once the fixed costs are covered / paid for the only running costs will be the day to day running expenses (food and maintenance), Coach travel to away games for the U16s to U18's - Many of the Academy coaches / physios / analysts / education dept are part time and coach in the evenings whilst doing other day jobs (external or within the club) or studying degrees. Kit & training kit will be covered by the sponsors.

Only major salaries to cover will be the 'Heads of' who run each Academy section.

A couple of high value sales of Academy graduates and the initial build outlay will be recovered and Palace will be sitting on a very valuable future asset.

Not sure if any of the above also affects FFP as well.


Thanks Isley. Always nice to learn things one didn't know even at my age (I'm drawing my pension).

 

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View crystal-purley's Profile crystal-purley Flag Purley 09 Nov 21 6.58pm Send a Private Message to crystal-purley Add crystal-purley as a friend

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Nanny McFee

She's already working on the League side

 


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View mileend's Profile mileend Online Flag East London 09 Nov 21 8.33pm Send a Private Message to mileend Add mileend as a friend

Originally posted by doombear


Thanks Isley. Always nice to learn things one didn't know even at my age (I'm drawing my pension).

agreed - excellent post - I will re-read this information, try and absorb it and tell other people about it as if I knew something about it

 

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