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MrRobbo Purley 15 Oct 21 12.26pm
Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow He's got the most passes into the final third and most carries into the final third of any central midfielder in England so far this season. Phenomenal player. Physically and technically he is amazing so they don't massively surprise me. I still don't think he controls games or sets the tempo. I remember looking into it at the Euros, he and Rice were less influential in our team than Veratti and Jorginio, Pogba and Kante, Tony Kroos and Ginter were. Based on the number of times they get the ball.
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Purley 15 Oct 21 12.26pm

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

He's got the most passes into the final third and most carries into the final third of any central midfielder in England so far this season.

Phenomenal player.

Physically and technically he is amazing so they don't massively surprise me.

I still don't think he controls games or sets the tempo.

I remember looking into it at the Euros, he and Rice were less influential in our team than Veratti and Jorginio, Pogba and Kante, Tony Kroos and Ginter were. Based on the number of times they get the ball.

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EverybodyDannsNow SE19 15 Oct 21 1.26pm
Originally posted by MrRobbo Physically and technically he is amazing so they don't massively surprise me. I still don't think he controls games or sets the tempo. I remember looking into it at the Euros, he and Rice were less influential in our team than Veratti and Jorginio, Pogba and Kante, Tony Kroos and Ginter were. Based on the number of times they get the ball. I think that's probably fair, but then you've named a few of the best midfielders of the last 5-10years - they are all much older and more experienced than Rice, so I think it's a tough barometer. He'll get there.
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Originally posted by MrRobbo

Physically and technically he is amazing so they don't massively surprise me.

I still don't think he controls games or sets the tempo.

I think that's probably fair, but then you've named a few of the best midfielders of the last 5-10years - they are all much older and more experienced than Rice, so I think it's a tough barometer.

He'll get there.

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CrazyBadger Ware 15 Oct 21 1.50pm
Originally posted by jeeagles We beat German and the world Cup finalist on the way to the finals of the Euro's. I think Denmark only lost one game between the World Cup and the Euro's. Italy had won something like 30 games in a row and had to take us to penalties. Not too worried about the Hungary game. They got a fortunate penalty, incidents like that are generally how big teams drop points from time to time. We should have kept Greelish on though. I thought the rest of the team were too respectful to the opposition, we regularly treat Championship quality international teams like top class European teams. We need to take more risks against poorer sides. I think that was true under previous managers, but we are regularily beating lesser opposition where previously we may have Faultered. We are going in to those games with Patience, and belief that we will score - and look like doing so. Annoyingly since the Euros, we have not done this so confidently, vs Poland and Hungary, where we should have been clear by more than 1 goal (even though hungary did put in a good perfomance) "It was a Team effort, I guess it took all players working together to lose this one"
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Ware 15 Oct 21 1.50pm

Originally posted by jeeagles

We beat German and the world Cup finalist on the way to the finals of the Euro's.

I think Denmark only lost one game between the World Cup and the Euro's.

Italy had won something like 30 games in a row and had to take us to penalties.

Not too worried about the Hungary game. They got a fortunate penalty, incidents like that are generally how big teams drop points from time to time.

We should have kept Greelish on though. I thought the rest of the team were too respectful to the opposition, we regularly treat Championship quality international teams like top class European teams. We need to take more risks against poorer sides.

I think that was true under previous managers, but we are regularily beating lesser opposition where previously we may have Faultered.
We are going in to those games with Patience, and belief that we will score - and look like doing so.
Annoyingly since the Euros, we have not done this so confidently, vs Poland and Hungary, where we should have been clear by more than 1 goal (even though hungary did put in a good perfomance)

"It was a Team effort, I guess it took all players working together to lose this one"

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MrRobbo Purley 15 Oct 21 2.29pm
Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow I think that's probably fair, but then you've named a few of the best midfielders of the last 5-10years - they are all much older and more experienced than Rice, so I think it's a tough barometer. He'll get there. Maybe he will, maybe he wont. I guess all I'm saying is its about the right pairings. Pogba looked immense for France, but that's because of who he was playing with. Stick Rice with someone who does that job and they will work perfectly.
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Purley 15 Oct 21 2.29pm

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

I think that's probably fair, but then you've named a few of the best midfielders of the last 5-10years - they are all much older and more experienced than Rice, so I think it's a tough barometer.

He'll get there.

Maybe he will, maybe he wont.

I guess all I'm saying is its about the right pairings. Pogba looked immense for France, but that's because of who he was playing with.

Stick Rice with someone who does that job and they will work perfectly.

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Eaglehamster Storrington 16 Oct 21 7.31am
Originally posted by braunstoneagle literally 4 months ago we got to our 1st major final in over 50 years. no need to change anything in my eyes� We'll never get a draw like that again. Are we as good as France, Spain or Belgium? I don't think so. I have now sufficient funds to last me the rest of my life. Provided I don't buy anything.
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Storrington 16 Oct 21 7.31am

Originally posted by braunstoneagle

literally 4 months ago we got to our 1st major final in over 50 years.

no need to change anything in my eyes�

We'll never get a draw like that again. Are we as good as France, Spain or Belgium? I don't think so.

I have now sufficient funds to last me the rest of my life. Provided I don't buy anything.

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Eaglehamster Storrington 16 Oct 21 10.19am
I think the selection isn't as critical as the way we play. GS seems to favour the slow build up with the emphasis on possession. This isn't the way most teams play in the PL. England should trust in what they're good at - fast pacy non-stop football, instead of trying to play the same as a lot of other national sides, who are better at that sort of game anyway. I have now sufficient funds to last me the rest of my life. Provided I don't buy anything.
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Storrington 16 Oct 21 10.19am

I think the selection isn't as critical as the way we play. GS seems to favour the slow build up with the emphasis on possession.
This isn't the way most teams play in the PL.

England should trust in what they're good at - fast pacy non-stop football, instead of trying to play the same as a lot of other national sides, who are better at that sort of game anyway.

I have now sufficient funds to last me the rest of my life. Provided I don't buy anything.

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