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Originally posted by Maine Eagle

Bringing charges takes a little time and moreso these radical Islamist extremists have complex connections across the globe, no doubt it takes some time to assess all that.

Perhaps they are investigating potential links to left wing extremists on football forums?

 

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Originally posted by georgenorman

Perhaps they are investigating potential links to left wing extremists on football forums?

This made me laugh out loud

 


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an Islamist kills a UK citizen, a nobody.

or

kills a Tory MP


which will get the biggest reaction ? from Media, government, the public, etc.


RiP that drummer soldier beheaded in Woolwich.

 


the 'Net-We-had' at the Etihad....again

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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

A determination of insanity is a legal defence and not a clinical judgement. Clinicians determine mental illnesses and then attempt
to treat them. For an insanity defence to succeed, it must be proven in a Court that the accused was suffering such mental illness as to have lost their sense of reasoning.

It is absurd to suggest that I think that any Islamist who kills is insane. It's total nonsense. It's as ridiculous to say that every one is insane as that none are. Each case needs to be determined on its facts, and not by some hypothetical rule of thumb.

What is true is that not every Muslim is an Islamist terrorist. In fact very, very few are. That though doesn't stop you seeing Islam as the real issue and the "bigger problem".

Around 100 years ago, in another country not too far from ours, those who held a different faith were perceived as the root cause of all their problems. They found their own "final solution". I have to wonder what yours would be?

I have no sympathy for anyone who breaks any laws because of their religious beliefs, let alone commits murder. The west is fighting a battle with radical Islam, which there is no way we can, should, or ever could avoid. We must win the battle, and the only way to do it is to counter bad ideas with good ones.

That requires patience and education, alongside zero tolerance of any unlawfulness.



That is just semantics. You do like to hide behind this kind of stuff.

I'm certain that the majority of Muslims are not radicals or supportive of violence. Unfortunately, there are those that are supportive and those that are prepared to do violence.

It is so easy to say that not all Muslims are terrorists and to trot out some tired old comparison to antisemitism and the holocaust, but we are faced with the undeniable reality that we have Islamist terrorism in this country because we have a significant number of Muslims in this country. This cannot be denied. It is a fact. As I recall, the Jews prior to WW2 were not murdering politicians or random innocents on the streets of Germany for political or religious reasons.

No one is suggesting that all Muslims should be persecuted, but there is no doubt that certain nationalities should not be allowed here in future for the sake of public safety. We should also deport anyone who shows any sign of supporting terrorism or are anti Western.
Right now, the law seems to protect those that represent a danger to our security. There needs to be a complete change to attitudes about how we police our borders and the idiotic immigration 'policy' that is currently in place.

Trying to obfuscate the causes of this problem by introducing erroneous factors like Brexit for example is shameful. It also amazes me when people like you seem more concerned with defending Islam rather than our democracy or the safety of our citizens.

Islamic faith has no place in this country. Muslims themselves should not be the focus of hatred, but fundamentalism and those that use it to justify violence cannot be allowed to proliferate further.
How many more killings do you want to see before you recognize the root cause? How many more meaningless words do you what to endure before someone actually does something to protect our society?

 

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you and your pesky facts

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

So the Jews have a death for apostasy law?

Errrr....they don't. However, 13 Islamic countries do.

Unlike the Quran, the writings aren't considered the literal words of god but words sent by god and interpreted via prophets.

Also looking into it this appears to be death for 'idolatry' not apostasy. Also not something carried out by these religions.

Edited by Stirlingsays (17 Oct 2021 12.04am)

 


Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

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Originally posted by HKOwen

you and your pesky facts

I've always been interested in all religions. I find it interesting that Islam is a few hundred years "younger" than Christianity. Think of what Christianity was like at a similar "age" and it was remarkably similar to Islam now. We'd be threatening Crusades and killing people for failing to recite the Bible in Latin or some such. I don't even want to go into the darker side of society.
Perhaps,in a few hundred years, Islam will be benign like Christianity is now?

 


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Originally posted by georgenorman

Perhaps they are investigating potential links to left wing extremists on football forums?

More likely white supremacists like the murderer of Jo Cox.

 


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Originally posted by Maine Eagle


I am studying for an exam, which I think even the most anti education zealot would agree is more worthwhile than debating the difference between apostasy and idolatry, with a bloke from Wisbech. I better get to it.

What's the exam on - bombast?

 

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Originally posted by ASCPFC

I've always been interested in all religions. I find it interesting that Islam is a few hundred years "younger" than Christianity. Think of what Christianity was like at a similar "age" and it was remarkably similar to Islam now. We'd be threatening Crusades and killing people for failing to recite the Bible in Latin or some such. I don't even want to go into the darker side of society.
Perhaps,in a few hundred years, Islam will be benign like Christianity is now?


I don't think that really works.

There are Islamic countries now that are quite modern, Turkey for example. Saudi and Qatar are very popular holiday destinations....these aren't countries living in the past and in cases...due to oil money are on the cutting edge (literally).

So people's are very quick to change in ways they wish to.....As for how quickly religions change, well I'm not sure I want my children and their children to explore that possibility.

 


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Originally posted by georgenorman

What's the exam on - bombast?

50% of a Politics exam. The other 50% is cancelled or unsuitable.

 


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Originally posted by Stirlingsays


I don't think that really works.

There are Islamic countries now that are quite modern, Turkey for example. Saudi and Qatar are very popular holiday destinations....these aren't countries living in the past and in cases...due to oil money are on the cutting edge (literally).

So people's are very quick to change in ways they wish to.....As for how quickly religions change, well I'm not sure I want my children and their children to explore that possibility.

Just an observation. None of us will be alive to see it. It is interesting how we white wash our own religious history, and don't examine how we threw off the more radical parts of Christianity. I don't see Islam doing it any time soon, as things like the Crusades are the things they mainly concentrate on in places such as education. Islam is very much anti all other beliefs, I personally believe it's how Islam defines itself. In opposition to others. Not a good recipe for peaceful coexistence.
There are a couple of benign strands of Islam but these are honestly looked at as sacrilegious by mainstream Islam.
Where I live, locals were blamed for stoning a Mosque. Turned out it was mainstream Muslims, unhappy with a pro Western, peaceful strand of Islam in one place here. Of course, that was not reported. We were branded as racists and the media never corrected their reporting.
Frankly, I would question why the UK takes in any Somalis at all. But that would make me a racist wouldn't it. I just don't see it as the responsibility of the West to take everyone in - like some kind of white saviours. Let people save themselves, "Free Africa" man.

 


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Originally posted by ASCPFC

Just an observation. None of us will be alive to see it. It is interesting how we white wash our own religious history, and don't examine how we threw off the more radical parts of Christianity. I don't see Islam doing it any time soon, as things like the Crusades are the things they mainly concentrate on in places such as education. Islam is very much anti all other beliefs, I personally believe it's how Islam defines itself. In opposition to others. Not a good recipe for peaceful coexistence.
There are a couple of benign strands of Islam but these are honestly looked at as sacrilegious by mainstream Islam.
Where I live, locals were blamed for stoning a Mosque. Turned out it was mainstream Muslims, unhappy with a pro Western, peaceful strand of Islam in one place here. Of course, that was not reported. We were branded as racists and the media never corrected their reporting.
Frankly, I would question why the UK takes in any Somalis at all. But that would make me a racist wouldn't it. I just don't see it as the responsibility of the West to take everyone in - like some kind of white saviours. Let people save themselves, "Free Africa" man.

Some people will tell you Islam respects other faiths and and tells its followers to obey the law in that country, true.

However this was when Islam was a minority religion and it's followers were being persecuted. All the bits about Jihad and death to the infidel are from when Islam was became a majority religion for many.

 


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