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Will Arsenal come in for Vieira after Arteta?

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View Palace Old Geezer's Profile Palace Old Geezer Flag Midhurst 20 Oct 21 3.30pm Send a Private Message to Palace Old Geezer Add Palace Old Geezer as a friend

Originally posted by fishbone

Who would you recommend to take his place or who would you think would be ready to take he place by then?

Yep, it's a good question and you're right to ask it fishbone.

Frankly, at the moment I have no real idea about who would be a suitable candidate because, hopefully, we won't be looking for someone just yet. It would be easy to suggest a big name, but I think it will be a while before we are able to fish in those waters.

When we were looking for Roy's replacement, a number of names were bandied about including Nuno's, but I didn’t like his demands on us and anyway he isn't convincing at Spurs. I found it hard to warm to any of the others either.

If he continues to lead Brentford in the right direction my favourite would be Thomas Frank. I've admired his style since the EFL days and said as much on here before. He's young, ambitious and has flair. I like all that.

So fishbone, I give you Thomas Frank.

 


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View m/k mick's Profile m/k mick Flag milton keynes 20 Oct 21 4.34pm Send a Private Message to m/k mick Add m/k mick as a friend

Personally I think Arteta will end up doing a very good job for Arsenal, and Viera an equally good job for us, fancy us for a good cup run this year, beating the arse in the final, you heard it here first

 

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View Goal Machine's Profile Goal Machine Flag The Cronx 20 Oct 21 4.47pm Send a Private Message to Goal Machine Add Goal Machine as a friend

Originally posted by Canterbury Palace

I'm sure it didn't escape your notice that, following us outplaying Arsenal on Monday, there was somewhat of a media narrative about "Have Arsenal got the right ex-player in charge?". I think Piers Morgan even Tweeted it.

Should we be anticipating Arsenal trying to lure Vieira as soon as they sack Arteta, whether that's this season or next? If so is it inevitable that he'd want to jump ship?

Sadly I think this is inevitable and I think there’s a good chance it will happen before the end of the season. Arteta is struggling and running out of time whilst Vieira has got us motoring, playing attractive football a lot sooner than anyone could have imagined.

He’ll want the job if it’s available and let’s be honest, he’s a perfect fit. Arsenal have been a upper/mid table side for a few years and are on par with Everton, but behind Leicester. They won’t be able to attract a big name manager at the moment.

Let’s all hope he’s got a decent contract and feels the love from the board and fans and wants to stay for the long term.

 

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View beak's Profile beak Flag croydon 20 Oct 21 4.53pm Send a Private Message to beak Add beak as a friend

It will be the measure of the man if he leaves at the first opportunity, if he stays for less than three years his status will diminish.

 

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View McPalace's Profile McPalace Flag Carshalton Village 20 Oct 21 5.00pm Send a Private Message to McPalace Add McPalace as a friend

I have always said that this is an apprenticeship
If he is good then he will eventually go to Arsenal
If he’s poor he will be sacked

 

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View est1905's Profile est1905 Flag 20 Oct 21 5.25pm Send a Private Message to est1905 Add est1905 as a friend

I think its a no brainer that they will. He's even playing the exact style that Arsenal are traditionally famous for. And to be honest it would be hard to stand in his way if he wanted to go as badly as we all know he probably will. It's surely his dream job.
This is one of the reasons I didn't fancy Vieira getting the job in the first place. Arsenal are in dissaray and its obvious who they look to if PV is doing well here.
All we can hope is that Parish holds firm and says no if they come calling at an inconvenient time for us (IE middle of the season) and that he holds out for proper decent compensation.

 

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View est1905's Profile est1905 Flag 20 Oct 21 5.27pm Send a Private Message to est1905 Add est1905 as a friend

Originally posted by beak

It will be the measure of the man if he leaves at the first opportunity, if he stays for less than three years his status will diminish.

Even top 6 clubs hardly ever keep a coach as long as 3 years these days.
We'll have done well imo if PV is still at Palace in 18 months

 

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View southnorwoodhill's Profile southnorwoodhill Flag 20 Oct 21 5.50pm Send a Private Message to southnorwoodhill Add southnorwoodhill as a friend

Perhaps they will, who knows? But I look at the fortunes of favoured players, the likes of Arteta, Rooney, Lampard, Gerrard, and think that managing at the top level isn't so easy.
In other news Cristiano Ronaldo is to be unveiled as player manager at Manchester United, reveals a friend of someone who overheard a conversation in Ronaldo's hairdresser. You heard it here first!

 

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View silvertop's Profile silvertop Flag Portishead 20 Oct 21 7.02pm Send a Private Message to silvertop Add silvertop as a friend

Originally posted by fishbone

Who would you recommend to take his place or who would you think would be ready to take he place by then?

Derry

 

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View maddog's Profile maddog Flag Wiltshire 20 Oct 21 7.12pm Send a Private Message to maddog Add maddog as a friend

We should be hoping Arteta either turns Arsenal around or goes soon. The risk of us losing Vieira increases with every month that Arteta lasts. If Arteta were to be sacked at the end of the season and Palace finish in top half then there would be quite a high chance that Arsenal will come for Vieira. Before Christmas Vieira would still be a big risk for Arsenal.

 

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View babylonjohn's Profile babylonjohn Flag St Leonards-on-Sea 20 Oct 21 8.31pm Send a Private Message to babylonjohn Add babylonjohn as a friend

They may do in a season or two if Viera continues to impress and proves to be a top premier manager. I dont think hes the kind of guy to jump ship mid season and leave us in the lurch. Especially when his Palace career is looking so promising and hes only a few months into a 3 year contract.

 

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View Dan Theolmesdaleroad's Profile Dan Theolmesdaleroad Flag Up north 20 Oct 21 9.36pm Send a Private Message to Dan Theolmesdaleroad Add Dan Theolmesdaleroad as a friend

People are bound to speculate about Patrick Vieira returning to Arsenal as manager. I even heard of him being suggested as a possible replacement for Mikel Arteta before the season began, at least by one of the few who wasn't making the lazy comparison with Frank de Boer and predicting he'd be a total disaster. Don't seem to hear much from that crowd anymore.

Yes, there may come a time when Arsenal make an approach for Vieira, but just because he used to play for them doesn't necessarily mean they will, or that he'll jump ship as soon as he gets the chance. A lot of players do return to their old clubs in coaching or managerial roles, but in most cases they don't and instead make a living elsewhere. Vieira may feel he has some emotional ties at Arsenal and will always be a club legend there, but they all relate to his playing days which are now long behind him.

Most if not all of his ex-teammates and coaches will have moved on by now. It won't be the same place he once knew, which is literally the case as the team doesn't even play at the same ground anymore. His role and reputation in the game is completely different now too, and since he left Arsenal in 2005 many of the club's fans will barely remember him as a player. What exactly then would he be going 'back' to?

There are exceptions, but most managerial appointments have a shelf-life of no more than a few years and it won't be any different with Vieira and Arsenal. What if he isn't able to deliver at a club whose fans weren't happy with only finishing fourth every year (back in the days when they did that)? Could he end up outstaying his welcome, or having to leave under a cloud? For what it's worth, how might that affect his legendary status?

Fans often like to believe, as I have myself, that a former player is bound to somehow understand the club more than anyone else and everything will be rosy if only they were to come back as manager, but it seldom works out the way we hope. Patrick Vieira has started a new chapter in his life, and I doubt he maintains any romantic notions of working for his old employers again at this stage. The past is usually best left where it is, in the past.

Oh, forget it. Who am I trying to kid? Of course, he's as good as gone, and we all know it!


 

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