This is why I raised the subject of money and what is his real reason for doing this. You would hope it is for the personal satisfaction of having all and sundry apologise to him for anything untoward that happened, but you do wonder if something else is anticipated.

In short, racist abuse wrong, getting paid substantial compensation for whatever happened, also wrong.

Yes it does come down to genetics.

Superiority is a deliberately politically charged and emotive way of looking at it.....but to be fair he wasn't the one who introduced that into the conversation.

As for wanting your descendants to remain European or African or whatever it is. I disagree with you that this is in anyway a terrible desire.....though I'd agree that no one should decide these things for others.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Has deleted anti semite texts when he was 19, he was only a kid-give the lad a break!

I suspect it didn't stop you voting Corbyn did it Croydon?

Yeah, Corbyn wasn't too keen on Israel without a doubt....then again even not fancying long noses is considered anti semitism nowadays.

However seems Rafiq is a huge hypocrite.....SW19 was on the money.

I'd like to say I'm shocked over Rafiq but it's hard to be shocked about anything these days.

Edited by Stirlingsays (18 Nov 2021 4.50pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

I was fascinated by the 'nature/nurture' debate back when I entered teaching. I spent about six months dipping into it.

I came away pretty certain from the statistics that it was roughly somewhere around 75/25 genetics to nurture.....certainly for intelligence inheritance....though a minority think more 50/50.......with the finding that the mother's intelligence level seems slightly more important.

It's quite disappointing in its way as being a teacher you'd rather hope it was the other way around....nurture to nature...but I suppose it makes sense when thought about.

I suspect that for physical abilities like speed or strength, height, natural abilities that it's even wider than 75/25

I hasten to add that having the ability to do something is in no way a guarantee that someone will or end up succeeding....luck good or bad plays a large hand in life and nurture certainly matters...just in some matters more than others.

Still, considering the reality it's kind of a crime that there are those out there who think they can study their way to Einstein level, because unfortunately it isn't true for most.....same as most people couldn't have broken 11 seconds sprinting the 100 metres regardless of how hard or dedicated they might have been.

I suppose because the reality isn't particularly nice sounding the realities around genetics are not particularly advertised......Ok, but the suggestion that people are 'blank slates' was very damaging in education and indeed in many ways it continues to damage those with low academic ability even today.

That said, obviously people should always try their best to reach their potential at any given ability.
Though similarly how lazy or feckless someone is unfortunately also appears to have an inheritance element to it.

Edited by Stirlingsays (18 Nov 2021 5.17pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Two people whose latest actions today have somewhat diminished their moral authority:
One is a Prime Minister and the other a former Yorkshire cricketer.