So what are these boundaries and who has set them? Was it a committee who decided what was ok, of course it wasn’t. It’s what you decided was acceptable. So what happens if others find your banter like boundaries unacceptable, do you merely inform them that you are the bastion of reasonableness therefore you are correct?

The boundaries for banter have been changing for years which is why you have to be careful to compare apples with apples. The words used by Alf Garnett and his sparring partners would never be acceptable now but were so back in the 70s. If you translate this to Yorkshire then maybe they as a club haven’t progressed as they should and yet there still seems to be a desire for Rafiq to name individuals and blame them whilst still saying it’s only the club itself that is an issue.

One thing is for sure, he is not going to make many friends out of this and you have to question whether this has assisted or hampered racial awareness. It will certainly have polarised views as it has done here.

* I make that assumption because that is the general nature of such things

** But does it? or do people just go along with it as 'part of the culture' that has to be tolerated to fit in because everyone else smiles at it?

As I say, has anyone thought to ask (either the men or the women) to check that everyone's actually ok with the 'banter'?

As you say, "most" people understand the difference, but what if anyone in your sport doesn't, are they really to simply be dismissed as a 'huge shame'?

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This is something that many of us have come to regard as more true of the past but less true in the present.

Considering you're the guy who spent time on here arguing that despising someone and hating them has some arguable difference then I can only assume that common sense left you some time ago.

Edited by Stirlingsays (23 Nov 2021 1.50pm)

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For gods sake, don't get her hopes up, they've only just been allowed into pubs...

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Beginning of the end when they allowed them into the snug.

How arrogant! Only the morally superior can look down in judgement, and then appear to be harsh.

Harsh is definitely not the right word for how you appear, but I won't specify what I believe is much more accurate.

That would be too harsh.

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