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View orpingtoneagle's Profile orpingtoneagle Flag Orpington 06 Nov 21 9.28am Send a Private Message to orpingtoneagle Add orpingtoneagle as a friend

I am a civil servant. Until recently I have worked at home but now I mix it up with days in the office.

I have to say when I worked 100% at home without the commute I probably worked harder than ever before. Not just doing the day job but as a manager keeping in touch and helping my team as they got used to distance work.

I found it really hard but we were trusted and were just as if not more productive. Our managers trusted us and we delivered. The politicians chucked a whole load of extra work on us as pandemic measures, changing their minds and expecting stuff to be done yesterday. We delivered but they rather than thank us suggested we all spent hours on newly acquired exercise bikes.

 

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BlueJay Flag UK 06 Nov 21 9.29am

Originally posted by Badger11

Agreed I don't see why the boss has the right to use your webcam or search your PC. There are other ways of checking up on your staff. The tool I mentioned was like a calendar so at a glance the boss would know which staff are sick / holiday who was in the office and who was working from home.

Yes, I'm sure it must already break certain laws. The webcam aspect is especially out there, because at the end of the day a family home is not the office workplace.

I recall reading a case where a specific work router or connection had to be used by someone working at home, and as consequence the whole family were essentially inadvertently monitored and this was deemed to have violated law. The same is likely true of any family use of a work laptop, or anything caught on it via audio or video. Lots of grey areas no doubt!

You're right, there must be tools and methods that are more hands off and just track basic information so that people are known to be doing their job. When management attempt to be overly controlling in the workplace its bad enough; when that attitude enters your home too its even more unnerving.

 

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 06 Nov 21 9.37am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by orpingtoneagle

I am a civil servant. Until recently I have worked at home but now I mix it up with days in the office.

I have to say when I worked 100% at home without the commute I probably worked harder than ever before. Not just doing the day job but as a manager keeping in touch and helping my team as they got used to distance work.

I found it really hard but we were trusted and were just as if not more productive. Our managers trusted us and we delivered. The politicians chucked a whole load of extra work on us as pandemic measures, changing their minds and expecting stuff to be done yesterday. We delivered but they rather than thank us suggested we all spent hours on newly acquired exercise bikes.

Thanks that was the current view I was looking for I am 10-15 years out of date.

 


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View Forest Hillbilly's Profile Forest Hillbilly Flag in a hidey-hole 06 Nov 21 12.00pm Send a Private Message to Forest Hillbilly Add Forest Hillbilly as a friend

Originally posted by YT

My daughter's boyfriend has been WFH since day 1 of the first lockdown. In that time he has set up his own business and he now spends more of his "working" day on his business than on his job.

He says that provided he has his work laptop somewhere nearby while he's doing the private stuff, he can juggle the situation with ease. He said the trick is to reply promptly to those emails that matter and ignore those that don't. Apart from those video calls that you have to be on camera for, the rest - conference calls, presentations etc - you can merely have on in the background so as to keep an eye (or an ear) on them. Most of them are pointless anyway; usually about 'inclusion and diversity' or 'a greener future'.

Is your daughter's boyfriend Owen Paterson ?

 


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View Southampton_Eagle's Profile Southampton_Eagle Flag At the after party 06 Nov 21 12.40pm Send a Private Message to Southampton_Eagle Add Southampton_Eagle as a friend

I love WFH. I have barely any contact with management as I'm motivated to work my full shift without getting distracted. Plus, like today when I knew it was going to be quiet, I can have a couple of beers too many the night before and not have to worry about looking sketchy going in to the office.

 

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View becky's Profile becky Flag over the moon 06 Nov 21 2.12pm Send a Private Message to becky Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add becky as a friend

Originally posted by Southampton_Eagle

I love WFH. I have barely any contact with management as I'm motivated to work my full shift without getting distracted. Plus, like today when I knew it was going to be quiet, I can have a couple of beers too many the night before and not have to worry about looking sketchy going in to the office.

How many zoom calls have you been in with a shirt & tie on the top half and joggers/underpants/pj bottoms/slippers on the lower half?

 


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View Forest Hillbilly's Profile Forest Hillbilly Flag in a hidey-hole 06 Nov 21 3.04pm Send a Private Message to Forest Hillbilly Add Forest Hillbilly as a friend

Southampton Eagle is Sarah Jayne Dunn and I claim my weekend in the Southampton Travel-lodge with her.

"Hollyoaks star Sarah Jayne Dunn to leave soap after OnlyFans account launch" (Sky News)

 


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View MrRobbo's Profile MrRobbo Flag Purley 08 Nov 21 4.09pm Send a Private Message to MrRobbo Add MrRobbo as a friend


The thing that I struggle with in this debate is what people would even be monitoring?!?! I can only assume a job where there isnt an output?! But I cant even think what that would be?

Very few jobs are assessed by the workers input, and almost all by the output.

There are times when the output is closely aligned to the time spent on it - e.g. data entry

But in most situations it isn't.

And regardless of location you judge your employees on what their produce and how they do it.

So no I wouldn't want people taking the piss, but if they nail a presentation, or make a sale, why not take the rest of the afternoon off - you've added more positive value than sat at a screen for a few more hours pretending to work.

 

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View NEILLO's Profile NEILLO Flag Shoreham-by-Sea 08 Nov 21 4.24pm Send a Private Message to NEILLO Add NEILLO as a friend

I've had long experience of this, way before Covid.

I had no problem with staff working from home on occasion providing they were able to do their job as effectively as when in the office.

Their managers/direct reports were responsible for ensuring objectives were being met and there was no degradation in performance / service delivery.

With the current situation I think the more enlightened companies are realising that a hybrid working model is an attractive proposition to prospective employees.

 


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View SnapperKain's Profile SnapperKain Flag SE25 6PU 15 Nov 21 9.21am Send a Private Message to SnapperKain Add SnapperKain as a friend

I've done a fair bit of working from home over my career. When my kids were really young, I was fortunate to work for about 10 years with two days at home (this started about 15 years ago) and since lockdown I've been working from home with the occasional trip into the office recently.

Personally, if the company I work for suddenly said that we had to have webcams on or keystrokes recorded, then I would start looking for another job straight away, as I find that a massive intrusion and a complete lack of trust from the employer. The idea that you need to have bums on seats in the office (virtual or not) from 9-6, for my industry anyway, is a hangover from the past. We're not all sitting at desks with and in and out trays or reliant on being in the office to have the equipment we need to do our jobs like a few decades ago. If technology gives the implied pressure that we should be contactable whenever or expected to be able to be reply to emails and be available at any time, then it also should come with more freedoms for the employee.

Personally I think people should be measured on what they produce, are they on time with deadlines and the quality of their work. I've seen people work from dawn till dusk (and dusk from dawn sometimes) and produce absolute dog sh!te that someone has then had to redo because they wanted to look "productive". If you get your job done, you do it well and on time then what's the problem?

 


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View Southampton_Eagle's Profile Southampton_Eagle Flag At the after party 15 Nov 21 9.57am Send a Private Message to Southampton_Eagle Add Southampton_Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by becky

How many zoom calls have you been in with a shirt & tie on the top half and joggers/underpants/pj bottoms/slippers on the lower half?

I'm dressed casual as I'm only involved on the occassional Teams calls with colleagues, I don't do any face to face with any cases or other government departments. I do make sure though when I know it's an on camera meeting that I'm sat upright and not slouching on the sofa

 

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View Southampton_Eagle's Profile Southampton_Eagle Flag At the after party 15 Nov 21 9.58am Send a Private Message to Southampton_Eagle Add Southampton_Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

Southampton Eagle is Sarah Jayne Dunn and I claim my weekend in the Southampton Travel-lodge with her.

"Hollyoaks star Sarah Jayne Dunn to leave soap after OnlyFans account launch" (Sky News)

I prefer the Jury's Inn to be wooed at

 

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