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View Nicholas91's Profile Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 28 Nov 22 8.11am Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Do we really have any?

I honestly think that if Starmer took over we wouldn't notice much change.

I am aligned in this belief.

Furthermore, apropos the news and it's seeming contradictions, I am sure any meetings they have regarding such coverage is labelled or seen as a 'strategy' meeting these days as opposed to 'let's just inform people of what is going on'.

 


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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Online Flag 28 Nov 22 8.24am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Nicholas91

I am aligned in this belief.

Furthermore, apropos the news and it's seeming contradictions, I am sure any meetings they have regarding such coverage is labelled or seen as a 'strategy' meeting these days as opposed to 'let's just inform people of what is going on'.

It's quite incredible really.

You could almost be forgiven for thinking that those at the top of the Tory party are deliberately destroying it. I know they say never attribute to malice what can be adequately explained by incompetence and that's probably true, but you have to wonder.

An 80 seat majority and they have done nothing but screw it up ever since.....A seemingly never ending line of careerist, over promoted WEF politicians who are in over their heads.

Edited by Stirlingsays (28 Nov 2022 8.27am)

 


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View Nicholas91's Profile Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 28 Nov 22 8.44am Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

It's quite incredible really.

You could almost be forgiven for thinking that those at the top of the Tory party are deliberately destroying it. I know they say never attribute to malice what can be adequately explained by incompetence and that's probably true, but you have to wonder.

An 80 seat majority and they have done nothing but screw it up ever since.....A seemingly never ending line of careerist, over promoted WEF politicians who are in over their heads.

Edited by Stirlingsays (28 Nov 2022 8.27am)

It must all seem so Machiavellian and dastardly genius at the time however it soon gets found out as it is these days.

I have always been inclined to vote Labour however lost faith in them, started voting for the Blue more so for societal reasons - same. They're all the same side of one coin for me aligned in an ideological approach or 'culture'. Their policies and political ideologies have therefore become of such insignificance I have genuinely lost all faith and even really interest beyond anything that immediately concerns me.

My resolution has been to solely follow the both red and blue. It's a rollercoaster for sure but has been a far more prosperous and exciting one the last decade+ and the steadfast expectance of disappointment, however illogical, secures me from heartache and makes the moments of ecstasy ever so sweeter! COYP

 


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View EverybodyDannsNow's Profile EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 29 Nov 22 1.27pm Send a Private Message to EverybodyDannsNow Add EverybodyDannsNow as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

A good GB News piece on how woke has been allowed to infect our youth and how little the Tories have actually done to combat it over the decades.... despite saying they are against it.

Asleep at the wheel.

[Link]

A 26 year old sits on the floor of their £1000 per month rented room, in a house they share with 7 other debt-ridden graduates, waiting for an app to allocate them 15 minutes of minimum wage work so they can maybe afford to flick the heating on for half an hour that evening.


Conclusion:

"Mrs Smith made me a socialist in Year 4"

 

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Online Flag 29 Nov 22 5.17pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

A 26 year old sits on the floor of their £1000 per month rented room, in a house they share with 7 other debt-ridden graduates, waiting for an app to allocate them 15 minutes of minimum wage work so they can maybe afford to flick the heating on for half an hour that evening.

Conclusion:

"Mrs Smith made me a socialist in Year 4"

I would hardly say what's being referred to here is socialism.....not that I'm a fan of socialism anyway...As Marx said, it's merely a stop off to eventual communism (as it turns out a weird form), but that's another story.

Teachers shouldn't be teaching students to be politically biased in the classroom.....I know some do as I was a teacher but I regard it as extremely unprofessional.

 


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View Matov's Profile Matov Flag 30 Nov 22 9.06pm Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

Who says satire is dead?


 


"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

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View Mapletree's Profile Mapletree Flag Croydon 30 Nov 22 10.11pm Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

In the UK it was always made clear we were buying time to avoid the NHS crumbling, to allow vaccines to be developed and to figure out how to treat people that were badly affected. It was always clear that eventually we would let it rip, but doing so too soon would sign thousands of death warrants.

China, by contrast, has no apparent strategy for exit. It has low uptake of poor vaccines. It hasn’t built broad based immunity. It is reasonable to protest now, after so much time has been available. It would have been absolutely wrong to protest before we knew what we were dealing with.

 

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View Midlands Eagle's Profile Midlands Eagle Flag 01 Dec 22 9.49am Send a Private Message to Midlands Eagle Add Midlands Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

In the UK it was always made clear we were buying time to avoid the NHS crumbling, to allow vaccines to be developed and to figure out how to treat people that were badly affected. It was always clear that eventually we would let it rip, but doing so too soon would sign thousands of death warrants.

Unfortunately some people have very short memories

 

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View Willo's Profile Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 01 Dec 22 3.01pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

From the Daily Telergraph :

"Rishi Sunak and Jeremy Hunt's popularity has plummeted among Conservative Party members in the wake of tax rises in the Autumn Statement. Mr Sunak's approval rating means he is now sixth from bottom in the monthly league table of Cabinet approval ratings published by the ConservativeHome website. The Prime Minister was the fifth most popular frontbencher in the previous survey, published on November 3, with a net approval rating of 49.9 per cent. But his first full month in office, which included the announcement of £24 billion of tax rises on November 17, has seen this fall to just nine per cent. Mr Hunt, the Chancellor, is now in negative territory on minus 9.9 per cent, a fall of 30 percentage points on his previous rating (29.7 per cent)."

This reflects the view of many members I have been in conversation with.

 

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Originally posted by Willo

From the Daily Telergraph :

"Rishi Sunak and Jeremy Hunt's popularity has plummeted among Conservative Party members in the wake of tax rises in the Autumn Statement. Mr Sunak's approval rating means he is now sixth from bottom in the monthly league table of Cabinet approval ratings published by the ConservativeHome website. The Prime Minister was the fifth most popular frontbencher in the previous survey, published on November 3, with a net approval rating of 49.9 per cent. But his first full month in office, which included the announcement of £24 billion of tax rises on November 17, has seen this fall to just nine per cent. Mr Hunt, the Chancellor, is now in negative territory on minus 9.9 per cent, a fall of 30 percentage points on his previous rating (29.7 per cent)."

This reflects the view of many members I have been in conversation with.

It is truly remarkable the level of contempt the Tory MPs have demonstrated towards their membership. They engineered this, it's nothing short of a political fait accompli.

 


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Originally posted by Willo

From the Daily Telergraph :

"Rishi Sunak and Jeremy Hunt's popularity has plummeted among Conservative Party members in the wake of tax rises in the Autumn Statement. Mr Sunak's approval rating means he is now sixth from bottom in the monthly league table of Cabinet approval ratings published by the ConservativeHome website. The Prime Minister was the fifth most popular frontbencher in the previous survey, published on November 3, with a net approval rating of 49.9 per cent. But his first full month in office, which included the announcement of £24 billion of tax rises on November 17, has seen this fall to just nine per cent. Mr Hunt, the Chancellor, is now in negative territory on minus 9.9 per cent, a fall of 30 percentage points on his previous rating (29.7 per cent)."

This reflects the view of many members I have been in conversation with.

Doesn't matter in the slightest. Not that you are likely to understand why.

The Tory MPs don't get elected by the Tory Party membership. They get elected by us. The population as a whole.

Tory MPs don't serve the Tory Party membership. They serve everyone in their constituency, whether they voted for them ,or not.

The only reason that a Tory MP needs to heed the opinions of the local party members is when they come to re-select them, but, with good management Central Office can retain some discipline.

What matters is how the way the Sunak government, and in particular Hunt, are enabling a recovery from the stupidity of Truss is perceived by the electorate as a whole, and not by a bunch of prejudiced activists. Whether it will be enough to rescue the Party from the Truss disaster, which compounded that already created by Johnson, remains doubtful. At least now there is a chance.

 

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View Willo's Profile Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 01 Dec 22 5.25pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

With respect I shall NOT respond to patronising hogwash, casting aspersions as to my intellectual capacity.
My 'Bar' is raised to the level whereby I don't resort to personal slurs.

Edited by Willo (01 Dec 2022 5.30pm)

 

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