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cryrst The garden of England 17 May 22 10.21pm
Originally posted by Matov If our political class, and lets not forget that this is a supposedly Tory Government, with a huge majority, wanted to make a genuine difference that would impact millions of people within a week then they could announce a huge cut in duty on fuel. Straight away, putting more money in people's pockets. But they don't because they are essentially bought and paid for by Saudi petro-dollars. If the official opposition wanted to make a genuine difference tht would impact millions of people within a week then they could have it as a very specific policy to urge the Government to announce a huge cut in duty on fuel. But they don't because they are essentially bought and paid for by Saudi petro-dollars. We live in a system that is no longer a functioning one on behalf of the people it claims to represent. We’ll from what I’ve read less than 5% of the population are going to be very poor. Do the other 95% have to suffer by increasing tax when fuel duty is dropped or lowered as hmg have to budget. The problem is really about people not wanting to put effort into surviving, and yes that is basically what life is. It’s not meant to be easy’ it’s not meant to be free, you sometimes have to look in the mirror and see what’s there. Not what someone else sees. Sorry matov but until a lot of people get a big kick up the arse me and you will be paying for ever and that my friend is not f***ing fair.
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cryrst

The garden of England 17 May 22 10.21pm

Originally posted by Matov

If our political class, and lets not forget that this is a supposedly Tory Government, with a huge majority, wanted to make a genuine difference that would impact millions of people within a week then they could announce a huge cut in duty on fuel. Straight away, putting more money in people's pockets. But they don't because they are essentially bought and paid for by Saudi petro-dollars.

If the official opposition wanted to make a genuine difference tht would impact millions of people within a week then they could have it as a very specific policy to urge the Government to announce a huge cut in duty on fuel. But they don't because they are essentially bought and paid for by Saudi petro-dollars.

We live in a system that is no longer a functioning one on behalf of the people it claims to represent.

We’ll from what I’ve read less than 5% of the population are going to be very poor. Do the other 95% have to suffer by increasing tax when fuel duty is dropped or lowered as hmg have to budget. The problem is really about people not wanting to put effort into surviving, and yes that is basically what life is. It’s not meant to be easy’ it’s not meant to be free, you sometimes have to look in the mirror and see what’s there. Not what someone else sees. Sorry matov but until a lot of people get a big kick up the arse me and you will be paying for ever and that my friend is not f***ing fair.

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Stirlingsays 17 May 22 10.50pm
Originally posted by Mapletree I did not really understand his comment there was "not this massive use for food banks in this country" I laud the idea of teaching better budgeting and cooking skills. It was done in home economics classes which were terminated by the Conservative Government in 2016 for being ‘too soft’. He also said a meal could be cooked for as little as 30p. Yet the cooking cost alone would be that much He simply reinforces a conservative view that anyone poor only has themselves to blame. When Rachel Maclean said people should get more or better jobs I was waiting for her to propose some help. Maybe retraining or childcare. But no, that’s not forthcoming, people should just be less lazy/useless/poorly educated/sickly/old. He was making a point, I think focusing literally upon whether the gas usage fits into it is just pedantic. While I know the 'poor only have themselves to blame' attitude does exist with some on the right it's definitely not a core belief....I think he's ex labour isn't he? I think those skills should generally be taught in schools. However I would agree with you that this idea that food banks aren't required isn't realistic and this general attitude that everyone should cope doesn't really deal with society as it is. Apparently 15 percent of the country have IQs around 85.....that's a huge number, nearly one in seven. Add to that those that have had real troubles, bad luck and abuse in life and I don't think you can just cast off like that....It's a bit Victorian. As a country you deal with it as it is, from the most productive to the least. You try to help the least and I think we do much more than most countries....I think he was genuinely trying to do that. Mind you...having said that, I do blame the government for the decisions that have caused the extent of this cost of living crises...Which isn't something many who agreed with their covid and Ukraine policies can say. Edited by Stirlingsays (17 May 2022 10.53pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

17 May 22 10.50pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

I did not really understand his comment there was "not this massive use for food banks in this country"

I laud the idea of teaching better budgeting and cooking skills. It was done in home economics classes which were terminated by the Conservative Government in 2016 for being ‘too soft’.

He also said a meal could be cooked for as little as 30p. Yet the cooking cost alone would be that much

He simply reinforces a conservative view that anyone poor only has themselves to blame.

When Rachel Maclean said people should get more or better jobs I was waiting for her to propose some help. Maybe retraining or childcare. But no, that’s not forthcoming, people should just be less lazy/useless/poorly educated/sickly/old.

He was making a point, I think focusing literally upon whether the gas usage fits into it is just pedantic. While I know the 'poor only have themselves to blame' attitude does exist with some on the right it's definitely not a core belief....I think he's ex labour isn't he?

I think those skills should generally be taught in schools. However I would agree with you that this idea that food banks aren't required isn't realistic and this general attitude that everyone should cope doesn't really deal with society as it is.

Apparently 15 percent of the country have IQs around 85.....that's a huge number, nearly one in seven. Add to that those that have had real troubles, bad luck and abuse in life and I don't think you can just cast off like that....It's a bit Victorian.

As a country you deal with it as it is, from the most productive to the least. You try to help the least and I think we do much more than most countries....I think he was genuinely trying to do that.

Mind you...having said that, I do blame the government for the decisions that have caused the extent of this cost of living crises...Which isn't something many who agreed with their covid and Ukraine policies can say.

Edited by Stirlingsays (17 May 2022 10.53pm)

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Mapletree Croydon 17 May 22 11.21pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays He was making a point, I think focusing literally upon whether the gas usage fits into it is just pedantic. While I know the 'poor only have themselves to blame' attitude does exist with some on the right it's definitely not a core belief....I think he's ex labour isn't he? I think those skills should generally be taught in schools. However I would agree with you that this idea that food banks aren't required isn't realistic and this general attitude that everyone should cope doesn't really deal with society as it is. Apparently 15 percent of the country have IQs around 85.....that's a huge number, nearly one in seven. Add to that those that have had real troubles, bad luck and abuse in life and I don't think you can just cast off like that....It's a bit Victorian. As a country you deal with it as it is, from the most productive to the least. You try to help the least and I think we do much more than most countries....I think he was genuinely trying to do that. Mind you...having said that, I do blame the government for the decisions that have caused the extent of this cost of living crises...Which isn't something many who agreed with their covid and Ukraine policies can say. Edited by Stirlingsays (17 May 2022 10.53pm) His point was made in a tone deaf way and clearly was going to be used by the Tory loons. He chose his words poorly and then kept digging. Some politician eh? But largely I agree with you. Other than the idea you could have just let Covid rip. You know my views on that, I hate being there when people die, especially before their natural time. Edited by Mapletree (17 May 2022 11.45pm)
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Croydon 17 May 22 11.21pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

As a country you deal with it as it is, from the most productive to the least. You try to help the least and I think we do much more than most countries....I think he was genuinely trying to do that.

Edited by Stirlingsays (17 May 2022 10.53pm)

His point was made in a tone deaf way and clearly was going to be used by the Tory loons. He chose his words poorly and then kept digging. Some politician eh?

But largely I agree with you. Other than the idea you could have just let Covid rip. You know my views on that, I hate being there when people die, especially before their natural time.

Edited by Mapletree (17 May 2022 11.45pm)

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Stirlingsays 17 May 22 11.29pm
Originally posted by Mapletree His point made in a was tone deaf way and clearly was going to be used by the Tory loons. He chose his words poorly and then kept digging. Some politician eh? But largely I agree with you. Other than the idea you could have just let Covid rip. You know my views on that, I hate being there when people die, especially before their natural time. I'd agree that just ignoring covid wouldn't have been the right course and that commentary now is always said in hindsight. Perhaps I shouldn't have mentioned contentious stuff like that. I have a level of respect for anyone involved in those difficult but very necessary jobs with our most vulnerable. Edited by Stirlingsays (17 May 2022 11.31pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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17 May 22 11.29pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

His point made in a was tone deaf way and clearly was going to be used by the Tory loons. He chose his words poorly and then kept digging. Some politician eh?

But largely I agree with you. Other than the idea you could have just let Covid rip. You know my views on that, I hate being there when people die, especially before their natural time.

I'd agree that just ignoring covid wouldn't have been the right course and that commentary now is always said in hindsight. Perhaps I shouldn't have mentioned contentious stuff like that.

I have a level of respect for anyone involved in those difficult but very necessary jobs with our most vulnerable.

Edited by Stirlingsays (17 May 2022 11.31pm)

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Teddy Eagle Online 18 May 22 9.39am
Originally posted by Mapletree Did this chap not say you can feed yourself on 30p a day, or was that some other rocket scientist? Wasn't he a coal miner rather than a rocket scientist?
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Teddy Eagle Online

18 May 22 9.39am

Originally posted by Mapletree

Did this chap not say you can feed yourself on 30p a day, or was that some other rocket scientist?

Wasn't he a coal miner rather than a rocket scientist?

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HKOwen Hong Kong 18 May 22 9.42am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Yeah, Labour controlled areas have a really good record on caring about those things haven't they Croydon. No getting away from this, the grooming scandal is a massive issue and Labour have never taken the blame they should. Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.
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HKOwen

Hong Kong 18 May 22 9.42am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Yeah, Labour controlled areas have a really good record on caring about those things haven't they Croydon.

No getting away from this, the grooming scandal is a massive issue and Labour have never taken the blame they should.

Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

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HKOwen Hong Kong 18 May 22 9.45am
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle Wasn't he a coal miner rather than a rocket scientist? Of course someone then went on a news program and showed that 30p was a stretch but required buying larger quantities, a £1 was very doable. No reason for people to expect to live on take away in tough times. Of course someone will come out with an example of someone who doesn't have time to cook on a daily basis but most people would have the time, and if they need help in learning to cook etc then fine Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.
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Hong Kong 18 May 22 9.45am

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Wasn't he a coal miner rather than a rocket scientist?

Of course someone then went on a news program and showed that 30p was a stretch but required buying larger quantities, a £1 was very doable.

No reason for people to expect to live on take away in tough times.

Of course someone will come out with an example of someone who doesn't have time to cook on a daily basis but most people would have the time, and if they need help in learning to cook etc then fine

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Stirlingsays 18 May 22 11.29am
Originally posted by HKOwen No getting away from this, the grooming scandal is a massive issue and Labour have never taken the blame they should. Agreed. I believe the rot goes right to the top. Edited by Stirlingsays (18 May 2022 11.36am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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18 May 22 11.29am

Originally posted by HKOwen

No getting away from this, the grooming scandal is a massive issue and Labour have never taken the blame they should.

Agreed.

I believe the rot goes right to the top.

Edited by Stirlingsays (18 May 2022 11.36am)

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W12 18 May 22 11.59am
It's a uniparty and nothing will change until most people realise this. All major political parties serve the same masters and we now have almost complete regulatory capture (Police, Judiciary, Media, Electoral, Healthcare etc) The "public-private partnership" is just a massive thiefdom and a an ongoing transfer of wealth. People simply do not understand how the likes of Common Purpose and NGO's achieved this.
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W12 18 May 22 11.59am

It's a uniparty and nothing will change until most people realise this. All major political parties serve the same masters and we now have almost complete regulatory capture (Police, Judiciary, Media, Electoral, Healthcare etc)

The "public-private partnership" is just a massive thiefdom and a an ongoing transfer of wealth.

People simply do not understand how the likes of Common Purpose and NGO's achieved this.

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Badger11 Beckenham 18 May 22 12.37pm
Originally posted by W12 It's a uniparty and nothing will change until most people realise this. All major political parties serve the same masters and we now have almost complete regulatory capture (Police, Judiciary, Media, Electoral, Healthcare etc) The "public-private partnership" is just a massive thiefdom and a an ongoing transfer of wealth. People simply do not understand how the likes of Common Purpose and NGO's achieved this. I love that term sums it up nicely. One more point
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Badger11

Beckenham 18 May 22 12.37pm

Originally posted by W12

The "public-private partnership" is just a massive thiefdom and a an ongoing transfer of wealth.

People simply do not understand how the likes of Common Purpose and NGO's achieved this.

I love that term sums it up nicely.

One more point

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Stirlingsays 18 May 22 1.12pm
Originally posted by W12 It's a uniparty and nothing will change until most people realise this. All major political parties serve the same masters and we now have almost complete regulatory capture (Police, Judiciary, Media, Electoral, Healthcare etc) The "public-private partnership" is just a massive thiefdom and a an ongoing transfer of wealth. People simply do not understand how the likes of Common Purpose and NGO's achieved this. Seconded. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

18 May 22 1.12pm

Originally posted by W12

The "public-private partnership" is just a massive thiefdom and a an ongoing transfer of wealth.

People simply do not understand how the likes of Common Purpose and NGO's achieved this.

Seconded.

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Badger11 Beckenham 18 May 22 3.17pm
Originally posted by croydon proud Another CON suspended -this time for suspician of rape and sexual assault- at this rate there will be nobody to debate in the CONservative benches- unless its debating about the mass, that will get them all turning up. Hmm one rule for the elite the rest of us.... Both the Tory party and the Speaker of HOC will not name the suspect and the Speaker has told MPs not to name him. I actually agree with this (for all of us) however many people in the public eye and in general have had their reputation trashed even though they were never charged. So how is that fair? The lawmakers have refused to legislate for anonymity until charged yet they cover up for one of their own. One more point
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Beckenham 18 May 22 3.17pm

Originally posted by croydon proud

Another CON suspended -this time for suspician of rape and sexual assault- at this rate there will be nobody to debate in the CONservative benches- unless its debating about the mass, that will get them all turning up.

Hmm one rule for the elite the rest of us....

Both the Tory party and the Speaker of HOC will not name the suspect and the Speaker has told MPs not to name him.

I actually agree with this (for all of us) however many people in the public eye and in general have had their reputation trashed even though they were never charged.

So how is that fair? The lawmakers have refused to legislate for anonymity until charged yet they cover up for one of their own.

One more point

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