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doombear Too far from Selhurst Park 28 Dec 21 7.54pm
Originally posted by Eaglecoops Jay Rich-Baghuelou, a big centre half who likes to play out from the back. Hopefully an Anderson on steroids. He was in the Aussie Olympic squad and, if I remember correctly, their U23 squad.
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Too far from Selhurst Park 28 Dec 21 7.54pm

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

Jay Rich-Baghuelou, a big centre half who likes to play out from the back. Hopefully an Anderson on steroids.

He was in the Aussie Olympic squad and, if I remember correctly, their U23 squad.

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monkey Sittingbourne,Kent 28 Dec 21 9.51pm
Originally posted by Midlands Eagle My guess is that the management don't think that they are good enough after all we bought Michael Olise who got in the first team at 19 Exactly!! Let’s be honest, apart from the occasional gem we uncover I.e zaha, wan bissaka and Mitchell, most of our so called highly rated youngsters will end up where they usually do, playing in the lower leagues or non-league because they’re simply not good enough. Obviously now the academy has gone up a level, we’ll be hoping for a more regular supply of youngsters good enough for the top flight Made in Bromley
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Sittingbourne,Kent 28 Dec 21 9.51pm

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

My guess is that the management don't think that they are good enough after all we bought Michael Olise who got in the first team at 19

Exactly!! Let’s be honest, apart from the occasional gem we uncover I.e zaha, wan bissaka and Mitchell, most of our so called highly rated youngsters will end up where they usually do, playing in the lower leagues or non-league because they’re simply not good enough. Obviously now the academy has gone up a level, we’ll be hoping for a more regular supply of youngsters good enough for the top flight

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KevW Windsor 29 Dec 21 8.08am
Ferguson - signed as an 19 year old after a few West Brom games. Him and Olise seem to have overtaken the entirety of the home grown academy players.
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Windsor 29 Dec 21 8.08am

Ferguson - signed as an 19 year old after a few West Brom games. Him and Olise seem to have overtaken the entirety of the home grown academy players.

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Lanzo-Ad Lanzarote 29 Dec 21 8.13am
Originally posted by monkey Exactly!! Let’s be honest, apart from the occasional gem we uncover I.e zaha, wan bissaka and Mitchell, most of our so called highly rated youngsters will end up where they usually do, playing in the lower leagues or non-league because they’re simply not good enough. Obviously now the academy has gone up a level, we’ll be hoping for a more regular supply of youngsters good enough for the top flight Nobody knows until they get a chance AWB and Mitchell only got their chances through injuries not outstanding U23 performances “That’s a joke son, I say, that’s a joke.” “Nice boy, but he’s sharp as a throw pillow.” “He’s so dumb he thinks a Mexican border pays rent” “ “Son… I say, son, some people are so narrow minded they can look through a keyhole with both eyes.”__ Forhorn Leghorn
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Lanzarote 29 Dec 21 8.13am

Originally posted by monkey

Nobody knows until they get a chance AWB and Mitchell only got their chances through injuries not outstanding U23 performances

“That’s a joke son, I say, that’s a joke.” “Nice boy, but he’s sharp as a throw pillow.” “He’s so dumb he thinks a Mexican border pays rent” “ “Son… I say, son, some people are so narrow minded they can look through a keyhole with both eyes.”__ Forhorn Leghorn

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The Dolphin 29 Dec 21 8.36am
With Zaha, Ayew, Kouyate and Schlupp off to AFCON they will likely Get game time in January!
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29 Dec 21 8.36am

With Zaha, Ayew, Kouyate and Schlupp off to AFCON they will likely Get game time in January!

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NEILLO Shoreham-by-Sea 29 Dec 21 8.51am
Originally posted by Lanzo-Ad But you don't know unless you try them, its a mentality thing as well, some with thrive others will disappear, but you don't know unless you try What you appear to be suggesting is putting our U23 players into the First Team just for the sake of it. Which if that is the case is ludicrous. Old, Ungifted and White
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Shoreham-by-Sea 29 Dec 21 8.51am

Originally posted by Lanzo-Ad

But you don't know unless you try them, its a mentality thing as well, some with thrive others will disappear, but you don't know unless you try

What you appear to be suggesting is putting our U23 players into the First Team just for the sake of it.

Which if that is the case is ludicrous.

Old, Ungifted and White

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r&bthru&thru 29 Dec 21 8.55am
Personally I think that currently we have more than enough strength in depth with our senior players which in turn means that the youngsters really do have to be pulling up trees in u18/23 level to get a sniff. This is exactly as it should be. The club has invested heavily and will want players to get through, or have a resale value that covers the costs when selling to other clubs. We will also now start taking some of the best young talent from around the UK & Europe. If they are good enough they will get through and if not we will sell them on or release them.
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29 Dec 21 8.55am

Personally I think that currently we have more than enough strength in depth with our senior players which in turn means that the youngsters really do have to be pulling up trees in u18/23 level to get a sniff.

This is exactly as it should be. The club has invested heavily and will want players to get through, or have a resale value that covers the costs when selling to other clubs. We will also now start taking some of the best young talent from around the UK & Europe.

If they are good enough they will get through and if not we will sell them on or release them.

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NEILLO Shoreham-by-Sea 29 Dec 21 9.07am
Originally posted by Vincehair Gallagher seemed to do better with local loans ; they're was not a huge amount of positivity about him coming to us this season after his season with the baggies Some of it has to do with nurture and how much the club believes in youth player promotion. Gallagher was on Chelsea's bench for a European final. AWB was on his way to Coventry - Richard Shaw has connections with them I don't see how locality has anything to do with it. Gallagher had a successful loan at Swansea. As for the positivity about him coming to us, where do you get that from ? Chelsea have a conveyor belt of youngsters which is used to either bring the best through to their first team squad or sold on for a decent fee. You need the resources in place to make that work, we were nowhere near that in AWB's days. Old, Ungifted and White
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Shoreham-by-Sea 29 Dec 21 9.07am

Originally posted by Vincehair

Gallagher seemed to do better with local loans ; they're was not a huge amount of positivity about him coming to us this season after his season with the baggies

Some of it has to do with nurture and how much the club believes in youth player promotion. Gallagher was on Chelsea's bench for a European final. AWB was on his way to Coventry - Richard Shaw has connections with them

I don't see how locality has anything to do with it. Gallagher had a successful loan at Swansea. As for the positivity about him coming to us, where do you get that from ?

Chelsea have a conveyor belt of youngsters which is used to either bring the best through to their first team squad or sold on for a decent fee. You need the resources in place to make that work, we were nowhere near that in AWB's days.

Old, Ungifted and White

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eagleman13 On The Road To Hell & Alicante 29 Dec 21 9.10am
Originally posted by The Dolphin With Zaha, Ayew, Kouyate and Schlupp off to AFCON they will likely Get game time in January! Schlupp's not going to Afcon, he wasn't picked in Ghana's squad. I'm a blind man, i'm a blind man, now my room is cold, When a blind man cries, Lord, he feels it from his soul. [Link]
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On The Road To Hell & Alicante 29 Dec 21 9.10am

Originally posted by The Dolphin

With Zaha, Ayew, Kouyate and Schlupp off to AFCON they will likely Get game time in January!

Schlupp's not going to Afcon, he wasn't picked in Ghana's squad.

I'm a blind man, i'm a blind man, now my room is cold,
When a blind man cries, Lord, he feels it from his soul.
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doombear Too far from Selhurst Park 29 Dec 21 10.05am
Originally posted by KevW Ferguson - signed as an 19 year old after a few West Brom games. Him and Olise seem to have overtaken the entirety of the home grown academy players. For a reason. Ferguson was doing the business in the Championship and Olise was young player of the year in the Championship last year. The few players from our Academy who have gone out on loan to lower league clubs (Leagues 1 & 2 and National League) have failed to nail down a regular place at those clubs. Even Banks (one of the best of them) wasn't a regular starter in the Scottish Championship. As I said in my earlier post, the Papa Johns trophy showed us what level our youngsters are at, and it's not close to Championship level never mind Premier League.
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Too far from Selhurst Park 29 Dec 21 10.05am

Originally posted by KevW

Ferguson - signed as an 19 year old after a few West Brom games. Him and Olise seem to have overtaken the entirety of the home grown academy players.

For a reason. Ferguson was doing the business in the Championship and Olise was young player of the year in the Championship last year. The few players from our Academy who have gone out on loan to lower league clubs (Leagues 1 & 2 and National League) have failed to nail down a regular place at those clubs. Even Banks (one of the best of them) wasn't a regular starter in the Scottish Championship.

As I said in my earlier post, the Papa Johns trophy showed us what level our youngsters are at, and it's not close to Championship level never mind Premier League.

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Ketteridge Brighton 29 Dec 21 10.21am
Originally posted by Lanzo-Ad Nobody knows until they get a chance AWB and Mitchell only got their chances through injuries not outstanding U23 performances Nobody knows for certain but that is the point of good coaches to use their judgement and experience to make the best decisions for the players development. Nobody knows that if I was to offer out Tyson Fury I wouldn't win but I'm going to use my judgement and not start on him. I've linked previously to how well respected AWB was he got his chance because of injuries but he would have got his chance at some point anyway , probably coming on a late sub for Ward in meanlingless end of season games. That is the path Tyrick went down coming on for PVA when we were already safe. Both had regularly trained with the first team both had been on pre-season tours. If we are safe by mid Feb then we might then that is what we might see with Rak-Sakyi. Beating Norwich yesterday makes that more likely that Rak-Sakyi will get oppotunities. Chucking players in before they were ready isn't going to help their development, look at Lokilo and Lumeka for that. One supporter of hacking argued that without it "you will do away with the courage and pluck of the game, and I will be bound to bring over a lot of Frenchmen who would beat you with a week's practice -Blackheath secretary at first meeting of the F.A
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Brighton 29 Dec 21 10.21am

Originally posted by Lanzo-Ad

Nobody knows until they get a chance AWB and Mitchell only got their chances through injuries not outstanding U23 performances

Nobody knows for certain but that is the point of good coaches to use their judgement and experience to make the best decisions for the players development. Nobody knows that if I was to offer out Tyson Fury I wouldn't win but I'm going to use my judgement and not start on him.
I've linked previously to how well respected AWB was he got his chance because of injuries but he would have got his chance at some point anyway , probably coming on a late sub for Ward in meanlingless end of season games. That is the path Tyrick went down coming on for PVA when we were already safe. Both had regularly trained with the first team both had been on pre-season tours. If we are safe by mid Feb then we might then that is what we might see with Rak-Sakyi.
Beating Norwich yesterday makes that more likely that Rak-Sakyi will get oppotunities. Chucking players in before they were ready isn't going to help their development, look at Lokilo and Lumeka for that.

One supporter of hacking argued that without it "you will do away with the courage and pluck of the game, and I will be bound to bring over a lot of Frenchmen who would beat you with a week's practice -Blackheath secretary at first meeting of the F.A

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r&bthru&thru 29 Dec 21 10.36am
Originally posted by Ketteridge Nobody knows for certain but that is the point of good coaches to use their judgement and experience to make the best decisions for the players development. Nobody knows that if I was to offer out Tyson Fury I wouldn't win but I'm going to use my judgement and not start on him. I've linked previously to how well respected AWB was he got his chance because of injuries but he would have got his chance at some point anyway , probably coming on a late sub for Ward in meanlingless end of season games. That is the path Tyrick went down coming on for PVA when we were already safe. Both had regularly trained with the first team both had been on pre-season tours. If we are safe by mid Feb then we might then that is what we might see with Rak-Sakyi. Beating Norwich yesterday makes that more likely that Rak-Sakyi will get oppotunities. Chucking players in before they were ready isn't going to help their development, look at Lokilo and Lumeka for that. I think you should call Tyson out 😂😂😂...love that analogy. Brilliant
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29 Dec 21 10.36am

Originally posted by Ketteridge

I think you should call Tyson out 😂😂😂...love that analogy. Brilliant

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