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View VinceHilaire's Profile VinceHilaire Flag London 15 Jan 22 6.40pm Send a Private Message to VinceHilaire Add VinceHilaire as a friend

Agree…too predictable and teams counter this by committing to the high press.

Also, slightly off the subject…but have you ever noticed that our throw in routine is awful. We seem to have no movement or creativity and end up losing the ball.


 

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 15 Jan 22 7.48pm Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by VinceHilaire

Agree…too predictable and teams counter this by committing to the high press.

Also, slightly off the subject…but have you ever noticed that our throw in routine is awful. We seem to have no movement or creativity and end up losing the ball.


We have a routine its the same one we use for free kicks, wait until the opposition are ready and man marketing our players then try and pass the ball to a player who is surrounded by 2 or 3 of theirs. Then scratch your head and wonder why he didn't get that ball.

 


One more point

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View slubglurge's Profile slubglurge Flag welling 16 Jan 22 10.50am Send a Private Message to slubglurge Add slubglurge as a friend

Half of our higher possession stats this season must be the VG Guehi Andersen triangle which is so ponderous it enables the oppo to get perfectly in shape to defend our attacks. We need to move the ball forward quicker and with more purpose. Sakho was good at that and mostly played the ball to our forwards feet

 

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View Tickled pink's Profile Tickled pink Flag Cornwall 18 Jan 22 7.10pm Send a Private Message to Tickled pink Add Tickled pink as a friend

Originally posted by slubglurge

Half of our higher possession stats this season must be the VG Guehi Andersen triangle which is so ponderous it enables the oppo to get perfectly in shape to defend our attacks. We need to move the ball forward quicker and with more purpose. Sakho was good at that and mostly played the ball to our forwards feet

...whilst giving everyone watching a heart attack.

 

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View palace99's Profile palace99 Flag New Mills 19 Jan 22 10.01am Send a Private Message to palace99 Add palace99 as a friend

Originally posted by palace chick

Also, this gets to me. We get a free kick either on the edge of the half way line or just in the opponents half and we then pass it sideways, then back to a defender. Then when under pressure it goes back to the keeper who passes it to a defender who under pressure lumps it forward and the opponents get the ball back. Okay, it doesn’t happen all the time but it’s so frustrating. What’s wrong with passing it forward or lifting it to our forward players to hopefully start an attack. Yes, we might lose it earlier to our opponents but at least we can press and put them under pressure. Rant (if that’s what it is) over :-)

YES - i bloody hate this. Roy introduced this and PV has taken it to the next level. It is an attacking opportunity so use it. Either launch to the CF or play it down the wing.

 

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View Dubai Eagle's Profile Dubai Eagle Flag 19 Jan 22 10.22am Send a Private Message to Dubai Eagle Add Dubai Eagle as a friend

frustrates the life out of the crowd when we do that - the only thing I can think of is that we are trying to draw the opposition forward to provide more space to play into / pass through them, which is all well & good but as the previous poster mentioned it invariably ends up back with the defender or goalkeeper with the eventual ball forward being wasted.

 

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View Eaglecoops's Profile Eaglecoops Flag CR3 19 Jan 22 10.42am Send a Private Message to Eaglecoops Add Eaglecoops as a friend

Agree with OP. There are 3 ways to play out of defence when the opposition press. Short ball, long ball, carry it forward. The secret to success is picking the correct option each time. The best teams make the correct choices more often. Our issues are compounded by the fact that only Anderson appears capable of a telling long ball.

They all play the short ball ok albeit sideways too often for my liking and both Mitchell and Guehi are ok at stepping up, they all need to be adept at each skill for us to progress.

As someone else has already said, we have done better at it than was expected but it has cost us on several occasions.

I would spend what money we have this January on a top right back and I believe it would make a difference.

 

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View Noz's Profile Noz Flag North Hampshire 19 Jan 22 10.51am Send a Private Message to Noz Add Noz as a friend

If you are able to effectively play out from the back, the intention is to turn your basic defensive position, into an offensive one, by efficient passing through the channels.

Teams like Man City, Arsenal, etc are able to do this.

When we play out from the back we seem to make 6 or 7 lateral passes between Andersen and Guehi and then one of them lumps it forward and we lose the ball, completely negating the original intention.

 

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View MrRobbo's Profile MrRobbo Flag Purley 19 Jan 22 11.14am Send a Private Message to MrRobbo Add MrRobbo as a friend

Id agree that we need to mix it up every so often, but IMO we need to look to pass out whenever we can.

I know it sometimes feels a bit hairy, but its better than the alternative, which is booting it long and immediately losing it.

As a test, watch how often we lose it when we go long. I'd reckon it is 90% of the time. The immediate 'danger' is gone, but the oppo have the ball and we are then defending.

Even if we are going sideways its much better to keep the ball than losing it.

To their credit, Brighton worked their socks off and didn't give us a moments peace. We couldn't seem to find the ball out to escape the press. Ayew was a big miss for us in that regard, he is very good at transitioning play under pressure.

Just remember that we are only half a season into implementing a new style. When it works, we absolutely dominate teams.

We will over time figure out how to combat a very aggressive high press. Partly through training, and partly through buying new players that are comfortable under pressure.

 

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View CrazyBadger's Profile CrazyBadger Flag Ware 19 Jan 22 3.07pm Send a Private Message to CrazyBadger Add CrazyBadger as a friend


Playing out from the back is the way forward.

 


"It was a Team effort, I guess it took all players working together to lose this one"

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View Rachid Rachid Rachid's Profile Rachid Rachid Rachid Flag 23 Jan 22 6.31pm Send a Private Message to Rachid Rachid Rachid Add Rachid Rachid Rachid as a friend

Bump. Pack it in. Particularly if it's playing to the opposition's strengths as it did today.

Shocking tactics but we still ultimately had the chances to win.

 

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View iheartcpfc's Profile iheartcpfc Flag SE25 23 Jan 22 10.07pm Send a Private Message to iheartcpfc Add iheartcpfc as a friend

There is literally no point in lumping it against Liverpool, their CBs and midfield clean up everything

 

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