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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 23 Jan 22 1.09pm
And,...in rural areas like Wales and the Highlands of Scotland, electric vehicles would require a huge shift in the behaviour of the population and infrastructure. Massive distances between potential charging points would make electric vehicles a non-starter. "The facts have changed", Rishi Sunak
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And,...in rural areas like Wales and the Highlands of Scotland, electric vehicles would require a huge shift in the behaviour of the population and infrastructure. Massive distances between potential charging points would make electric vehicles a non-starter.

"The facts have changed", Rishi Sunak

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croydon proud Any european country i fancy! 23 Jan 22 7.37pm
Originally posted by cryrst Well the sums are out and hmg of whichever colour will be Ł40 billion light annually with less vehicle tax and fuel duty. Here's the kicker. Pay per mile on electric is coming. Environment...don't make me laugh ! Not often I agree with the member for Medway but I do on this, everything in this country is a money making CON, once people are all electric they will be given 10 years to go to hydrogen , just like the diesil trick- everyone should just keep their old cars as long as they can - and let them charge Ł1 a mile for anyone stupid enough to get an electric-fcuk em all!
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Any european country i fancy! 23 Jan 22 7.37pm

Originally posted by cryrst

Well the sums are out and hmg of whichever colour will be
Ł40 billion light annually with less vehicle tax and fuel duty.
Here's the kicker. Pay per mile on electric is coming.
Environment...don't make me laugh !

Not often I agree with the member for Medway but I do on this, everything in this country is a money making CON, once people are all electric they will be given 10 years to go to hydrogen , just like the diesil trick- everyone should just keep their old cars as long as they can - and let them charge Ł1 a mile for anyone stupid enough to get an electric-fcuk em all!

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cryrst The garden of England 23 Jan 22 7.54pm
Originally posted by croydon proud Not often I agree with the member for Medway but I do on this, everything in this country is a money making CON, once people are all electric they will be given 10 years to go to hydrogen , just like the diesil trick- everyone should just keep their old cars as long as they can - and let them charge Ł1 a mile for anyone stupid enough to get an electric-fcuk em all! the CON bit is not needed I'm afraid. Any party would have been forced to consider the environment then try to find a way to make up the tax losses. It could've been the commies but its not this time.
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The garden of England 23 Jan 22 7.54pm

Originally posted by croydon proud

the CON bit is not needed I'm afraid. Any party would have been forced to consider the environment then try to find a way to make up the tax losses. It could've been the commies but its not this time.

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Painter Online Croydon 24 Jan 22 8.43am
I pay a ridiculous amount in tax for having a diesel company car, which I need to do my job. From what I can see, the way to cut the tax bill out is to get a hybrid electric/petrol which is zero rated for tax. Then don’t bother with the electric bit, just use petrol, as there isn’t enough charging points currently. Is this feasible or have I misunderstood the rules.
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Croydon 24 Jan 22 8.43am

I pay a ridiculous amount in tax for having a diesel company car, which I need to do my job. From what I can see, the way to cut the tax bill out is to get a hybrid electric/petrol which is zero rated for tax. Then don’t bother with the electric bit, just use petrol, as there isn’t enough charging points currently.

Is this feasible or have I misunderstood the rules.

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Badger11 Beckenham 24 Jan 22 9.04am
Originally posted by cryrst the CON bit is not needed I'm afraid. Any party would have been forced to consider the environment then try to find a way to make up the tax losses. It could've been the commies but its not this time. All of the parties have gone green to some extent from light green Tories to dark Green Labour / Lib Dems. A Labour government will be far worse on green issues and related taxation. One more point
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Beckenham 24 Jan 22 9.04am

Originally posted by cryrst

All of the parties have gone green to some extent from light green Tories to dark Green Labour / Lib Dems. A Labour government will be far worse on green issues and related taxation.

One more point

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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 24 Jan 22 7.26pm
Originally posted by Painter I pay a ridiculous amount in tax for having a diesel company car, which I need to do my job. From what I can see, the way to cut the tax bill out is to get a hybrid electric/petrol which is zero rated for tax. Then don’t bother with the electric bit, just use petrol, as there isn’t enough charging points currently. Is this feasible or have I misunderstood the rules. I'm not sure you have any choice over which power unit you use in a hybrid. As i understand it, it selects the power source based on driving conditions and available energy. So ultimately, if there isn't enough battery power, it will stay in combustion engine mode. I suppose there must be a way to just keep it switched to petrol, but then your mpg would be bad, as you are lugging around all that extra weight in batteries and electric motors, which you don't use. "The facts have changed", Rishi Sunak
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Originally posted by Painter

Is this feasible or have I misunderstood the rules.

I'm not sure you have any choice over which power unit you use in a hybrid. As i understand it, it selects the power source based on driving conditions and available energy. So ultimately, if there isn't enough battery power, it will stay in combustion engine mode. I suppose there must be a way to just keep it switched to petrol, but then your mpg would be bad, as you are lugging around all that extra weight in batteries and electric motors, which you don't use.

"The facts have changed", Rishi Sunak

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cryrst The garden of England 24 Jan 22 7.33pm
Originally posted by Badger11 All of the parties have gone green to some extent from light green Tories to dark Green Labour / Lib Dems. A Labour government will be far worse on green issues and related taxation. So in a way I hope starmer wins the next GE. Then all the luvvies will see how correct us right wing racist bigots really were. Until it hits the pocket the reality won't sink in
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The garden of England 24 Jan 22 7.33pm

Originally posted by Badger11

All of the parties have gone green to some extent from light green Tories to dark Green Labour / Lib Dems. A Labour government will be far worse on green issues and related taxation.

So in a way I hope starmer wins the next GE.
Then all the luvvies will see how correct us right wing racist bigots really were.
Until it hits the pocket the reality won't sink in

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Midlands Eagle 25 Jan 22 6.19am
Originally posted by Painter I pay a ridiculous amount in tax for having a diesel company car, which I need to do my job. From what I can see, the way to cut the tax bill out is to get a hybrid electric/petrol which is zero rated for tax. Then don’t bother with the electric bit, just use petrol, as there isn’t enough charging points currently. Is this feasible or have I misunderstood the rules. If you have a plug in hybrid as a company car you will pay a lower rate of tax but if it's any other kind of hybrid you would pay the same amount of tax as if it were a petrol or diesel car
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Originally posted by Painter

Is this feasible or have I misunderstood the rules.

If you have a plug in hybrid as a company car you will pay a lower rate of tax but if it's any other kind of hybrid you would pay the same amount of tax as if it were a petrol or diesel car

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The Dolphin 25 Jan 22 12.47pm
It is all a con anyway. My other half bought a plug-in-hybrid and we didn't realise that the annual road tax would be so high. They base it on car value for 4 years (I think) before they drop it down to be based on emissions. It is all moneygrabbing whichever way you look at it. Electric cars need huge amounts of electricity so you save emissions on one hand and give it back with the other. The batteries cost huge emissions to produce and get rid of and they don't last forever. The list of cons is as long as the pros and we all know it will happen because just like diesel back in the day they all need to get their money from somewhere and this time iselectric cars!
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25 Jan 22 12.47pm

It is all a con anyway.
My other half bought a plug-in-hybrid and we didn't realise that the annual road tax would be so high.
They base it on car value for 4 years (I think) before they drop it down to be based on emissions.
It is all moneygrabbing whichever way you look at it.
Electric cars need huge amounts of electricity so you save emissions on one hand and give it back with the other.
The batteries cost huge emissions to produce and get rid of and they don't last forever.
The list of cons is as long as the pros and we all know it will happen because just like diesel back in the day they all need to get their money from somewhere and this time iselectric cars!

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cryrst The garden of England 25 Jan 22 2.57pm
I need a newer car and think I will just lease one. They pay for everything but go juice.
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The garden of England 25 Jan 22 2.57pm

I need a newer car and think I will just lease one.
They pay for everything but go juice.

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Pierre Purley 26 Jan 22 2.19pm
I am torn at the moment. just putting in a power source so I can fit a charger to the outside of my house in the future. Should I buy an electric vehicle now or wait until Hydrogen is developed further? Electric cars are getting better but still lag behind in miles achieved between charging, length of battery life, cost of disposal and true environmental credentials. Furthermore they are expensive in comparison to Hybrids though the running costs are less. However the UK's current infrastructure of charging points is abysmal and of course whether you are electric or not towns and cities still don't want you and with charging per mile on the horizon the cost will increase further anyway?
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Purley 26 Jan 22 2.19pm

I am torn at the moment. just putting in a power source so I can fit a charger to the outside of my house in the future.

Should I buy an electric vehicle now or wait until Hydrogen is developed further?
Electric cars are getting better but still lag behind in miles achieved between charging, length of battery life, cost of disposal and true environmental credentials. Furthermore they are expensive in comparison to Hybrids though the running costs are less.
However the UK's current infrastructure of charging points is abysmal and of course whether you are electric or not towns and cities still don't want you and with charging per mile on the horizon the cost will increase further anyway?

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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 26 Jan 22 3.33pm
Too little time and money has been spent on proper development of production electric cars. Petrol and diesel is still where the money is, as least in the short term. So in a few years production will cease of new combustion-engined vehicles. Then watch second-hand car values rise massively as the vehicle specification and infrastructure still won't be anywhere near ready for the electric mass market. More likely there will be an extension granted on production of petroleum powered cars. Electric cars really should have had a lot of money and thought pumped into it around 40 years ago. Hydrogen has huge potential, it's just making it safe that is the major obstacle. And ensuring terrorists can't make bombs out of the stuff. Successive governments have back-tracked on the nature of electric power stations, so we are going to be in a right pickle without a bigger coordinated plan for power production. When we go to war with Russia, will all the troops be mobilised on golf buggies, with bombs dropped by hang-glider, and all the combat uniforms to be made from Fairtrade hemp ? Edited by Forest Hillbilly (26 Jan 2022 3.34pm) "The facts have changed", Rishi Sunak
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Too little time and money has been spent on proper development of production electric cars. Petrol and diesel is still where the money is, as least in the short term.
So in a few years production will cease of new combustion-engined vehicles. Then watch second-hand car values rise massively as the vehicle specification and infrastructure still won't be anywhere near ready for the electric mass market.
More likely there will be an extension granted on production of petroleum powered cars.
Electric cars really should have had a lot of money and thought pumped into it around 40 years ago.

Hydrogen has huge potential, it's just making it safe that is the major obstacle. And ensuring terrorists can't make bombs out of the stuff.

Successive governments have back-tracked on the nature of electric power stations, so we are going to be in a right pickle without a bigger coordinated plan for power production.

When we go to war with Russia, will all the troops be mobilised on golf buggies, with bombs dropped by hang-glider, and all the combat uniforms to be made from Fairtrade hemp ?

Edited by Forest Hillbilly (26 Jan 2022 3.34pm)

"The facts have changed", Rishi Sunak

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