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 Pembroke  Bristol 23 Jan 22 11.29pm |
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Originally posted by cryrst
So nhs staff don't beleive the science behind the vaccine so won't have it. That is uneven. Patients can make their informed choices and have body autonomy.
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cryrst  The garden of England 23 Jan 22 11.52pm |
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Originally posted by Pembroke
That is uneven. Patients can make their informed choices and have body autonomy. patients don't have autonomy on whether a vaccinated nurse treats them. Bearing in mind many are old and possibly vulnerable it's not that uneven really!
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 24 Jan 22 12.00am |
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Originally posted by cryrst
So nhs staff don't beleive the science behind the vaccine so won't have it. Those drugs have not been subject to the widespread social media disinformation about vaccinations in general that predates this pandemic. It's just been ramped up 10-fold in the past year or so. I have friends in the USA who are convinced this is all population control initiated by Bill Gates and George Soros. False accusations about the standard childhood vaccinations being responsible for autism have been in circulation for years and still believed by the impressionable. Who is behind it and why? I'll give you 2 guesses. This is a very effective cold war for which we have yet to find an effective defence. Those who complain about freedom of speech and the need to ensure the social media platforms remove harmful content, need to mull over where their desires might lead to.
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| Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Stoke sub normal 24 Jan 22 12.01am |
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Originally posted by cryrst
patients don't have autonomy on whether a vaccinated nurse treats them. Bearing in mind many are old and possibly vulnerable it's not that uneven really! Well, theoretically, if all the nurses decided to not be vaccinated, do you think the patients would mind not being treated at all?
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| Pembroke Bristol 24 Jan 22 12.08am |
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Originally posted by cryrst
patients don't have autonomy on whether a vaccinated nurse treats them. Bearing in mind many are old and possibly vulnerable it's not that uneven really!
The old and vulnerable can refuse to be vaccinated.
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| cryrst The garden of England 24 Jan 22 6.06am |
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Originally posted by Tim Gypsy Hill '64
Well, theoretically, if all the nurses decided to not be vaccinated, do you think the patients would mind not being treated at all? And that was the case for a year or so. Then the concern was staff spreading C19 so the vaccine has eliminated that worry somewhat.
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| cryrst The garden of England 24 Jan 22 6.10am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Those drugs have not been subject to the widespread social media disinformation about vaccinations in general that predates this pandemic. It's just been ramped up 10-fold in the past year or so. I have friends in the USA who are convinced this is all population control initiated by Bill Gates and George Soros. False accusations about the standard childhood vaccinations being responsible for autism have been in circulation for years and still believed by the impressionable. Who is behind it and why? I'll give you 2 guesses. This is a very effective cold war for which we have yet to find an effective defence. Those who complain about freedom of speech and the need to ensure the social media platforms remove harmful content, need to mull over where their desires might lead to. If you read the information leaflet supplied; all drugs and medication whether oral or not can have dangerous side effects. From paracetamol to methotrexate and more. If I beleived it was 'me' that would get that 1 in 10000 or more bad side effect then I would be up that proverbial creek without a paddle anyway.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 24 Jan 22 9.12am |
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Originally posted by cryrst
If you read the information leaflet supplied; all drugs and medication whether oral or not can have dangerous side effects. From paracetamol to methotrexate and more. If I beleived it was 'me' that would get that 1 in 10000 or more bad side effect then I would be up that proverbial creek without a paddle anyway. Nothing in life is without risk. Even getting in and out of bed. Unless you never do anything then you face risk, and doing nothing would actually kill you pretty quickly, as you would starve. It's always a question of judging the potential benefit against the potential risk. The point though about the C19 vaccines is that some believe this only concerns a personal decision about how it impacts them, when the truth is that each of our decisions impacts everyone else too. I am not in favour of compulsory vaccination, as I believe it to be counter-productive, I can though understand why the NHS want to ensure all their front-line staff are vaccinated and are making it a condition of employment. Redeployment of those who cannot be persuaded is much the best option but, with the staff and stress levels as they are, there are some very difficult and unpalatable decisions ahead. I hope there is a renewed education and reassurance campaign mounted to get the waverers over the line. Those who have been affected by the misinformation in circulation need to be supported.
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| BlueJay UK 24 Jan 22 9.29am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
God forbid that people make self centred decisions over their own health. Do most people give blood? Are most people donating to food banks? Moral communism. People should generally be free to make irrational decisions they perceive to be in their self interest if they really want to (even if those decisions are not). My reply made that clear. The making of room for decisions that are far from their ideal given the circumstances (staff shortages). Still clearly with early, more dangerous variants the case was more than made that getting vaccinated reduced spread to others significantly therefore to suggest that it's outrageous for it to be mandatory in some circumstances (OAP homes too) is hardly out there. You might not personally feel that you have any meaningful obligation or connection to society, but it doesn't automatically get flung into some 'virtue signaling' or 'communist' bin as result. If you're around vulnerable people, you're paid to look after them not expose them to increased risk.
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| Badger11 Beckenham 24 Jan 22 9.37am |
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I believe that the NHS should have led by example I know people who went into hospital COIVD free and died of it there, so much for save our NHS. As soon as the vaccine became available the government should have ordered care workers and NHS to take it of fire them. We expect our police to obey the law I expect the NHS to lead by example. That said it is now too late I am not sure it makes sense to fire people as the pandemic comes to an end.
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| Pembroke Bristol 24 Jan 22 9.44am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Nothing in life is without risk. Even getting in and out of bed. Unless you never do anything then you face risk, and doing nothing would actually kill you pretty quickly, as you would starve. It's always a question of judging the potential benefit against the potential risk. The point though about the C19 vaccines is that some believe this only concerns a personal decision about how it impacts them, when the truth is that each of our decisions impacts everyone else too. I am not in favour of compulsory vaccination, as I believe it to be counter-productive, I can though understand why the NHS want to ensure all their front-line staff are vaccinated and are making it a condition of employment. Redeployment of those who cannot be persuaded is much the best option but, with the staff and stress levels as they are, there are some very difficult and unpalatable decisions ahead. I hope there is a renewed education and reassurance campaign mounted to get the waverers over the line. Those who have been affected by the misinformation in circulation need to be supported. Do you believe staff in the NHS need more education? Do you believe NHS staff have been misinformed by? The NHS themselves. I work for the NHS. People make informed choices for themselves. Each decision is an individual choice for the individual. Personal risk profiling is different for each individual. I am vaccinated x 3 but I wholly support colleagues’ decisions to make decisions for themselves. Not being vaccinated does not impact everybody unless being vaccinated being vaccinated does too. Vaccination is not a silver bullet. Society has an illogical position where care homes staff can be sacked now for not being vaccinated but NHS staff cant be .. Yet. Covid must affect the care sector differently. The risk profiling, the risk assessment doesn’t add up. NHS staff suddenly become dangerous in a couple of months .. There is misinformation and there is stupid. As an individual who administers etc I have never been asked if I have been vaccinated for anything by a patient/service users. I don’t have to answer yes or no. As it is and was a personal and private decision between myself and the trust/service.
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HKOwen  Hong Kong 24 Jan 22 10.03am |
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The main point I was making was that Labour are in agreement with the Govt and I would assume that the unions representing the at threat NHS workers would be all over this.
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