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 Rudi Hedman  Caterham 09 Feb 22 6.17pm |
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Originally posted by robdave2k
The cats situation hasn’t improved then. Had cats for years - tried to adopt from the RSPCA once - home assessment and they asked “where do the existing ones sleep, they have they only got one bed” Me “where ever they like mate - top of the shed, the landing, my head - they are cats. They each had a bed - never used it!” RSPCA bod “well that’s not acceptable, they need their own space” There’s been many a time I’ve wanted to boot the little b******s up the arse -, but can’t for the life of me understand what he was thinking. Anyone who abuses animals will do the same to people. Buy a cat a blanket or basket and it’ll just sleep on your lap, jumper, any clothes on the floor or in your bag or a box. Preferably anything warm they can’t be found easily or attacked in. Those beds that attach to radiators might pass royal cat approval though.
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BlueJay  UK 09 Feb 22 10.42pm |
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Originally posted by robdave2k
The cats situation hasn’t improved then. Had cats for years - tried to adopt from the RSPCA once - home assessment and they asked “where do the existing ones sleep, they have they only got one bed” Me “where ever they like mate - top of the shed, the landing, my head - they are cats. They each had a bed - never used it!” RSPCA bod “well that’s not acceptable, they need their own space” There’s been many a time I’ve wanted to boot the little b******s up the arse -, but can’t for the life of me understand what he was thinking. Anyone who abuses animals will do the same to people. It can be the same for rescue dogs too. We had to agree to 'foster' for a few months first to demonstrate that we were ready to adopt, even though we've always had dogs. And also had to go through two home visits and make a few changes to the house and yard. I understand that they want to ensure animals go to a good home, but I did wonder how much of this labyrinthian process was an example of the kind of thing that happens with a lot of charities. Got there in the end mind you
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. sprites  Auckland 10 Feb 22 4.05am |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
Unless you’re referring to cheap takeaways sourcing meat from cruel indoor farms and processing places only you clearly haven’t read what I posted. People can’t afford to buy meat from animals raised the old way because of how business has steered what’s available (see also mass produced and often flat pack everything these days). I’ll give you the masses not helping by buying freedom range level of chicken that’s between mass produced and free range or organic, but you can’t blame the individual or families not spending £12 on a chicken when the way the world has gone means that £5 is affordable. So unless everyone refuses to buy the £5 chicken then I’m afraid a short life overcrowded indoors is what’s going to happen. Anyway, humans are now being overcrowded. What about cruelty to humans? But you're coming from the position of eating meat being a non-negotiable. Slaughtering animals for our eating pleasure is animal cruelty...free range or not.
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| sprites Auckland 10 Feb 22 4.06am |
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Originally posted by Badger11
It's not a valid comparison. What zouma did was clear animal cruelty and illegal, rearing and eating animals is not illegal but is sounds like you think it should be. Farmers mistreating animals is illegal and they should be prosecuted. Personally I would ban battery hens but currently it is legal so you are comparing an act which is illegal to an act which you would like to be illegal.
It's nothing to do with law. I'm talking about ethics.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 10 Feb 22 7.27am |
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Originally posted by sprites
But you're coming from the position of eating meat being a non-negotiable. Slaughtering animals for our eating pleasure is animal cruelty...free range or not. The whole world is cruel then. Well all omnivores.
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| BlueJay UK 10 Feb 22 3.02pm |
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Originally posted by sprites
But you're coming from the position of eating meat being a non-negotiable. Slaughtering animals for our eating pleasure is animal cruelty...free range or not. I think we're living in something of a transition period. What you grow up with is your normality, plus clearly eating meat is clearly natural. When quality slabs of meat can be made in a lab (along with the already decent veggie options that many have switched too) killing and eating animals may well eventually become a social taboo.
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| Stirlingsays 10 Feb 22 3.37pm |
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Originally posted by sprites
But you're coming from the position of eating meat being a non-negotiable. Slaughtering animals for our eating pleasure is animal cruelty...free range or not. There is a certain truth to this. I think if we worked in a slaughter house a good percentage of us would be disquieted....probably me among them. However nature is red in tooth and claw. The human being is a predator, as proven by forward eye placement, and we are designed to eat meat, as further proven by our teeth type. This then becomes a question of where human thought and action should be in relation to nature. Obviously we work against it in relation to medicine and deforestation/human habitation....but we are living in an age where our rulers have moved far beyond those areas and promote many ideas that extend and work against nature. One of them is this...the food that we eat. On most questions I'm on the side of nature or as close to it as reasonable...however on this one I'm broadly sympathic, partly down to this specific argument. Bluejay points out that the reproduction of meat can be grown without slaughter and if that proves possible on a mass production scale I have interest there. However there are economic problems with this....We employ masses of people within farming industries and there is a vast amount of land involved there as well. I'm not interested in harming people or persecuting them. Also I'd be concerned that the movement against mass daily slaughter would then move along to persecuting hunters on private lands and those that hold out.....which I would consider that as going too far....and I'm wary of that because history is full of slippery slope realities so some protection is required in any change. And I'm not going to eat bugs or have my diet dictated to....but replacements for mass slaughter....Like all peaceful positions it deserves a voice.
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 eaglesdare 10 Feb 22 3.53pm |
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I mean......
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| cryrst Online The garden of England 10 Feb 22 8.57pm |
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This was 2 years ago. I'm sure they have moved on a bit; maybe! Edited by cryrst (10 Feb 2022 8.57pm)
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| sprites Auckland 10 Feb 22 9.22pm |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
The whole world is cruel then. Well all omnivores. Kind of is, hey.
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| mtp1958 Grays 11 Feb 22 6.45pm |
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Originally posted by sprites
But you're coming from the position of eating meat being a non-negotiable. Slaughtering animals for our eating pleasure is animal cruelty...free range or not. so ok we stop eating meat weres all these excess animals going , because they will take up all the farmland that the non meat eaters will rely on for food
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 12 Feb 22 10.29am |
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