Is it time to let Wilf go?
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 EddieMac  24 Feb 22 9.25pm |
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If anyone thinks Wilf had a poor game last night they need their head tested. He is turning into a different type of player under Viera. He knows he is not the main man anymore and it suits him. You can see that he really respects Viera and is playing for him. Under Roy he was playing for himself and a move away from Palace. Wilf is still one of our best players and still a fantastic player.
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taylors lovechild  25 Feb 22 12.11pm |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
There's certainly truth to what you're saying, but 'useful forward' feels a bit harsh - he's still our best outlet and most dangerous player in the majority of games, including last night. I think your line about the old days is spot on; he's not as exciting and eye-catching as he used to be, but his output is considerably better; Goals scored by wingers since the start of last season; Salah - 40 Barring Salah who is a freak of nature, he's up there with anyone in the country. Those stats are much better than I realised, although I'm not sure they're quite right as Wilf got 11 goals last season and has 8 this season (19 total), while Mane got 11 last season and has 11 this season (22 total). Nonetheless, still fairly impressive, although only one assist this season and two last season is perhaps telling.
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| doombear Too far from Selhurst Park 25 Feb 22 12.36pm |
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Originally posted by taylors lovechild
Those stats are much better than I realised, although I'm not sure they're quite right as Wilf got 11 goals last season and has 8 this season (19 total), while Mane got 11 last season and has 11 this season (22 total). Nonetheless, still fairly impressive, although only one assist this season and two last season is perhaps telling.
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| EverybodyDannsNow SE19 25 Feb 22 1.10pm |
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Originally posted by taylors lovechild
Those stats are much better than I realised, although I'm not sure they're quite right as Wilf got 11 goals last season and has 8 this season (19 total), while Mane got 11 last season and has 11 this season (22 total). Nonetheless, still fairly impressive, although only one assist this season and two last season is perhaps telling. You're right, Wilf should be 19. Mane is now on 22 following his brace the other night, yes. When you think about how many more goals and more chances Liverpool create as a team, I think it's pretty exceptional that Wilf has *almost* kept pace.
Chances created and big chances created are much better metrics of a players creative output. Wilf has 4 big chances created this season, which puts him in the top 50 in the division - only ~25 players have created more than 4 big chances this season, and those are mostly the usual suspects at the super clubs.
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Nicholas91  The Democratic Republic of Kent 25 Feb 22 2.12pm |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
You're right, Wilf should be 19. Mane is now on 22 following his brace the other night, yes. When you think about how many more goals and more chances Liverpool create as a team, I think it's pretty exceptional that Wilf has *almost* kept pace.
Chances created and big chances created are much better metrics of a players creative output. Wilf has 4 big chances created this season, which puts him in the top 50 in the division - only ~25 players have created more than 4 big chances this season, and those are mostly the usual suspects at the super clubs. Good point actually, they're only assists if they are put away.
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| EverybodyDannsNow SE19 25 Feb 22 2.39pm |
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Originally posted by Nicholas91
Good point actually, they're only assists if they are put away. And similarly you can roll a ball 3 yards to someone who scores a 30-yard screamer and you're credited with an assist.
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eagleman13  On The Road To Hell & Alicante 25 Feb 22 2.46pm |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
And similarly you can roll a ball 3 yards to someone who scores a 30-yard screamer and you're credited with an assist. Who gets the assist with pens, is it the person who is fouled OR the person who played the pass to instigate the foul? Reason i ask is, more often than not, the player who is fouled will take the pen.
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| YT Oxford 25 Feb 22 2.47pm |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
And similarly you can roll a ball 3 yards to someone who scores a 30-yard screamer and you're credited with an assist. Accordingly assists are meaningless, in my opinion.
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| dreamwaverider London 25 Feb 22 2.51pm |
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The way Wilf is coming back on strong, I wouldn't put it past him scoring a Patrick tomorrow against Burnley.
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| dreamwaverider London 25 Feb 22 2.53pm |
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Bloody predicta meant a hatrick obviously. Maybe a hatrick for Patrick
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| EverybodyDannsNow SE19 25 Feb 22 3.01pm |
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Originally posted by eagleman13
Who gets the assist with pens, is it the person who is fouled OR the person who played the pass to instigate the foul? Reason i ask is, more often than not, the player who is fouled will take the pen. I don't think they credit winning a penalty or free kick that is then converted as an assist, so with a goal from a penalty, there is no assister stated.
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| Nicholas91 The Democratic Republic of Kent 25 Feb 22 3.18pm |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
I don't think they credit winning a penalty or free kick that is then converted as an assist, so with a goal from a penalty, there is no assister stated. What if you place the ball down on the spot but don't take the penalty?
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