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View Eaglecoops's Profile Eaglecoops Flag CR3 10 Feb 22 7.54pm Send a Private Message to Eaglecoops Add Eaglecoops as a friend

Originally posted by sprites

Disagree - you can't field a team of youngsters. It's about finding the balance. Experience counts for an awful lot. Plus the players you've listed still have something to offer. There's a big difference between 29-31 and 36+. It's not like we're talking about Dann or Cahill last season. Potentially agree about Clyne if we're not going to use him, which it doesn't seem like we are.

Not sure why you don’t agree perhaps you could elaborate. Rak-Sakyi or Olise for Ayew, Edouard, Mateta or Plange for Benteke, Eze or Edouard for Schlupp. Not sure where the loss of balance or experience is here and these players are all good enough (Rak-Sakyi, Plange of course still unproven at this level). The other players are young but they are not without PL experience. As others have mentioned elsewhere if you get a decent full back on the right you do not need Ayew to help out as much as he currently has to and Olise offers so much more going forwards and can score goals which is what forwards are primarily there for.

We know we need new midfielders and Kelly/Clyne are superfluous other than as emergency cover. Milivojevic is past it and Ward should ultimately be held onto only as cover for a new right back. I agree you need experience but I also think you should move players on whilst they still have some value. I would maybe keep Ayew but the rest can go in my opinion and be improved upon by new signings. There is adequate experience in the rest of the team.

 

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View sprites's Profile sprites Flag Auckland 10 Feb 22 8.42pm Send a Private Message to sprites Add sprites as a friend

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

Not sure why you don’t agree perhaps you could elaborate. Rak-Sakyi or Olise for Ayew, Edouard, Mateta or Plange for Benteke, Eze or Edouard for Schlupp. Not sure where the loss of balance or experience is here and these players are all good enough (Rak-Sakyi, Plange of course still unproven at this level). The other players are young but they are not without PL experience. As others have mentioned elsewhere if you get a decent full back on the right you do not need Ayew to help out as much as he currently has to and Olise offers so much more going forwards and can score goals which is what forwards are primarily there for.

We know we need new midfielders and Kelly/Clyne are superfluous other than as emergency cover. Milivojevic is past it and Ward should ultimately be held onto only as cover for a new right back. I agree you need experience but I also think you should move players on whilst they still have some value. I would maybe keep Ayew but the rest can go in my opinion and be improved upon by new signings. There is adequate experience in the rest of the team.

Yeah, that's a fair comment. Sorry wasn't disagreeing with everything...I had interpreted your previous post as wanting to fill the team with youngsters. Therefore was merely stating the importance of experience and older figures in the dressing room etc. But I think we sort of agree, so all good.

 

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View doombear's Profile doombear Flag Too far from Selhurst Park 10 Feb 22 10.08pm Send a Private Message to doombear Add doombear as a friend

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

Of the attacking midfielders and outright attackers, Mateta, Edouard, Olise, Eze, Plange, Rak-Sakyi, are all young.

Benteke 31, Ayew 30, Zaha 29, Schlupp 29

Given the direction we are heading and a move towards a more youthful squad, why would we look to move any of the young ones on. We should sell Benteke, Schlupp and Ayew along with Milivojevic, Kelly, Clyne, this summer and free up salaries to bring in 2 midfielders, a centre half and right back.

If Zaha finally goes then a top replacement winger would also be a priority.


Of the 6 you are proposing to sell, I believe 4 (Ayew, Kelly, Clyne and Schlupp) are out of contract this summer so can simply be allowed to leave, although I can see the club keeping both Schlupp and Ayew. As to the other 2 you mentioned, we need to find someone who wants them and are prepared to pay the kind of wages we are paying. Quite frankly, I would be surprised if there'll be any takers for either Benteke or Milivojevic and so we will probably have them until their contracts expire next summer (2023).

 

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View sprites's Profile sprites Flag Auckland 10 Feb 22 10.17pm Send a Private Message to sprites Add sprites as a friend

Originally posted by doombear


Of the 6 you are proposing to sell, I believe 4 (Ayew, Kelly, Clyne and Schlupp) are out of contract this summer so can simply be allowed to leave, although I can see the club keeping both Schlupp and Ayew. As to the other 2 you mentioned, we need to find someone who wants them and are prepared to pay the kind of wages we are paying. Quite frankly, I would be surprised if there'll be any takers for either Benteke or Milivojevic and so we will probably have them until their contracts expire next summer (2023).

There should definitely be takers. Playing in the right system, they've both still got a lot to offer. A newly promoted for example would benefit from Luka...and a team that puts lots of crosses in would see a lot of goals out of Benteke.

 

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View doombear's Profile doombear Flag Too far from Selhurst Park 10 Feb 22 10.21pm Send a Private Message to doombear Add doombear as a friend

Originally posted by sprites

There should definitely be takers. Playing in the right system, they've both still got a lot to offer. A newly promoted for example would benefit from Luka...and a team that puts lots of crosses in would see a lot of goals out of Benteke.


But can such clubs afford the wages?

 

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View sprites's Profile sprites Flag Auckland 10 Feb 22 10.25pm Send a Private Message to sprites Add sprites as a friend

Originally posted by doombear


But can such clubs afford the wages?

That is the 90,000 question I suppose!

 

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View Lanzo-Ad's Profile Lanzo-Ad Flag Lanzarote 10 Feb 22 11.03pm Send a Private Message to Lanzo-Ad Add Lanzo-Ad as a friend

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

Edouard has surely made more league appearances this season than all the players you’ve mentioned there - why on earth would he be the one moved on?
He’s also scored and created more than nearly all of them.

He’s averaging a goal every 200 mins in a brand new league, with a lot of minutes off the wing, and has just turned 24.. I think he’s one of the best prospects at the club, and whilst I agree he hasn’t quite cracked leading the line yet, his talent is there to see.

But he isn't in the first team

 


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View sprites's Profile sprites Flag Auckland 10 Feb 22 11.49pm Send a Private Message to sprites Add sprites as a friend

Originally posted by Lanzo-Ad

But he isn't in the first team

He's very much part of the first team. Just because someone doesn't get picked to start one week, doesn't suddenly make them not part the team. In fact there's no such thing as a 'first team' in premier league football anymore. It's about the squad. Horses for courses etc.

 

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View aashman12's Profile aashman12 Flag 11 Feb 22 6.10pm Send a Private Message to aashman12 Add aashman12 as a friend

We're a graveyard for strikers, we should revert to Roy's 4222 and have wilf plus 1 up top,

 

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View Tickled pink's Profile Tickled pink Flag Cornwall 12 Feb 22 6.11pm Send a Private Message to Tickled pink Add Tickled pink as a friend

Must be so frustrating for the lot of them knowing there's a position there for the taking, it is now becoming as much a problem as Ferguson.

 

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Originally posted by Tickled pink

Must be so frustrating for the lot of them knowing there's a position there for the taking, it is now becoming as much a problem as Ferguson.

Mateta is by far the best CF, and he is only average, Edouard doesn't have a clue how to play CF, he may have been alright against the crap up in Scotland but he looks clueless now

 


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Originally posted by Lanzo-Ad

Mateta is by far the best CF, and he is only average, Edouard doesn't have a clue how to play CF, he may have been alright against the crap up in Scotland but he looks clueless now

He's been much better playing off the left with mateta or big Ben in the middle, he's never a prem cf

 

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