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View PatrickA's Profile PatrickA Flag London 12 Feb 22 7.35pm Send a Private Message to PatrickA Add PatrickA as a friend

Edouard did not play well today but even Messi would struggle playing against three centre backs with no support or teammates getting close to support him.
Vieira identified a major problem in the post match interview that Edouard had been left too isolated.
Edouard thrives on short passes into the penalty area so he can use his clever footwork to get a shot away or set up an opening.
I can’t recall more than a couple of these instances today and it’s valid to question whether the current system will enable him to flourish in the central role.
Vieira seems to have concluded that Benteke is not the answer as he has not recently even been used as an option when we’re struggling to threaten.
That leaves Mateta who is more mobile, runs in behind and seems to suit the current system at least in the lone central role currently employed.
However, the jury is out as to whether he has enough quality to be the solution.
On the limited occasions that Mateta and Edouard have featured as a pairing the team has looked more threatening.
This does not appear to fit in with the preferred 433 system.

 

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View Lanzo-Ad's Profile Lanzo-Ad Flag Lanzarote 12 Feb 22 8.16pm Send a Private Message to Lanzo-Ad Add Lanzo-Ad as a friend

i think PVs lack of managerial experience is showing, he needs to learn fast

 


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Originally posted by PatrickA

Edouard did not play well today but even Messi would struggle playing against three centre backs with no support or teammates getting close to support him.
Vieira identified a major problem in the post match interview that Edouard had been left too isolated.
Edouard thrives on short passes into the penalty area so he can use his clever footwork to get a shot away or set up an opening.
I can’t recall more than a couple of these instances today and it’s valid to question whether the current system will enable him to flourish in the central role.
Vieira seems to have concluded that Benteke is not the answer as he has not recently even been used as an option when we’re struggling to threaten.
That leaves Mateta who is more mobile, runs in behind and seems to suit the current system at least in the lone central role currently employed.
However, the jury is out as to whether he has enough quality to be the solution.
On the limited occasions that Mateta and Edouard have featured as a pairing the team has looked more threatening.
This does not appear to fit in with the preferred 433 system.

On the money mate, can’t disagree.

 

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View radicalsteve's Profile radicalsteve Flag ottawa 12 Feb 22 11.40pm Send a Private Message to radicalsteve Add radicalsteve as a friend

same here - we are not setting up to maximise our players strengths, particularly Edouard. I think Viera has to set up a consistent team for the current squad strengths, during this whole transition, as he evolves the squad to fit his required style and system. We still have a lot of "leftovers" that admittedly have to play for now, until we get the right blend in place. Many of them will not be here next season.

 

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View Wilbraham413's Profile Wilbraham413 Flag 13 Feb 22 4.34am Send a Private Message to Wilbraham413 Add Wilbraham413 as a friend

The problem is without Macca, our midfield is dire. Who is going to pass the ball through to our CFs? We have no one to do that. And we've seen that for weeks. We abandon the middle of the field, and every attack goes up the touchlines, usually to Zaha's side.

I don't rate Edouard, but no one was capable of passing a ball to him today. To make this system work, we need 2-3 midfielders who are comfortable on the ball, able to beat defenders, and able to pass. We don't have any of those.

In the meantime, PV would be better off playing Benteke, and hoofing the ball up to him occasionally. It couldn't be any worse than what we saw with Edouard today, or Mateta last week.

It's frustrating that we've been watching this failed strategy for weeks now, and nothing ever changes.

 


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View sprites's Profile sprites Flag Auckland 14 Feb 22 1.33am Send a Private Message to sprites Add sprites as a friend

Originally posted by Wilbraham413

The problem is without Macca, our midfield is dire. Who is going to pass the ball through to our CFs? We have no one to do that. And we've seen that for weeks. We abandon the middle of the field, and every attack goes up the touchlines, usually to Zaha's side.

I don't rate Edouard, but no one was capable of passing a ball to him today. To make this system work, we need 2-3 midfielders who are comfortable on the ball, able to beat defenders, and able to pass. We don't have any of those.

In the meantime, PV would be better off playing Benteke, and hoofing the ball up to him occasionally. It couldn't be any worse than what we saw with Edouard today, or Mateta last week.

It's frustrating that we've been watching this failed strategy for weeks now, and nothing ever changes.

Mmmm I actually think Hughes and Gallagher are classy. Throw in a Kouyate/Luka to do the dirty work and I think Hughesy and Gallagher will be able to shine a bit further forward. Luka especially can see a good pass too. We're suffering a bit from Schluppy's lack of techincal ability.

 

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View southnorwoodhill's Profile southnorwoodhill Flag 14 Feb 22 4.41am Send a Private Message to southnorwoodhill Add southnorwoodhill as a friend

Originally posted by sprites

Mmmm I actually think Hughes and Gallagher are classy. Throw in a Kouyate/Luka to do the dirty work and I think Hughesy and Gallagher will be able to shine a bit further forward. Luka especially can see a good pass too. We're suffering a bit from Schluppy's lack of techincal ability.


He's certainly not suited to central midfield. What he is doing in the hub of the midfield only Vieira knows. It's this one tactical detail that has had me doubt Vieira's credentials.

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View mtp1958's Profile mtp1958 Flag Grays 14 Feb 22 12.41pm Send a Private Message to mtp1958 Add mtp1958 as a friend

really dont know what people want they dont want Hodgson they dont want Vieira, every manager we have had people have found fault , as for strikers we havent had one since AJ , but all the other clubs are having striker problems villa top goal scorer has 4 this season its not easy to get the perfect striker that would keep you lot happy

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View mtp1958's Profile mtp1958 Flag Grays 14 Feb 22 12.48pm Send a Private Message to mtp1958 Add mtp1958 as a friend

Originally posted by mtp1958

really dont know what people want they dont want Hodgson they dont want Vieira, every manager we have had people have found fault , as for strikers we havent had one since AJ in the prem , but all the other clubs are having striker problems villa top goal scorer has 4 this season its not easy to get the perfect striker that would keep you lot happy

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View Willo's Profile Willo Online Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 14 Feb 22 1.13pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by mtp1958

really dont know what people want they dont want Hodgson they dont want Vieira, every manager we have had people have found fault , as for strikers we havent had one since AJ , but all the other clubs are having striker problems villa top goal scorer has 4 this season its not easy to get the perfect striker that would keep you lot happy

Edited by mtp1958 (14 Feb 2022 12.42pm)

With respect I have not detected a groundswell of opinion against Vieira.
There might of course be a clutch of detractors, but in the main I believe supporters are willing to give him time during this period of transition.

 

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View Lanzo-Ad's Profile Lanzo-Ad Flag Lanzarote 27 Feb 22 9.47am Send a Private Message to Lanzo-Ad Add Lanzo-Ad as a friend

Is it with four sitting on the bench and none on the pitch do you think PV doesn't rate any of them, i cant understand why he wouldn't play them, he seems to have taken a dislike of Edouard especially.

 


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View Willo's Profile Willo Online Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 27 Feb 22 9.55am Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by Lanzo-Ad

Is it with four sitting on the bench and none on the pitch do you think PV doesn't rate any of them, i cant understand why he wouldn't play them, he seems to have taken a dislike of Edouard especially.

Certainly Benteke is down the pecking order and of course Eduoard is not getting regular starts and others are preferred.

I am coming to the conclusion that Eze does not fit into Vieira's plans and all this talk of "Easing him in slowly" etc etc is perhaps diplomatic.This of course could be total and utter hogwash, I am known for it!

Edited by Willo (27 Feb 2022 10.00am)

 

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