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BlueJay Flag UK 28 May 22 10.33am

Originally posted by georgenorman

Can you set up an opposition party without being poisoned?

He doesn't care about that. Putin poisons and kills people he's more okay with expiring. Of course the joke is that like most governments, structures and cultures aspects are just used in such a way that enriches the elites and gees people up. The only constant there that is genuinely real is that if you stand in the power of power you'll wind up dead.

Edited by BlueJay (28 May 2022 11.04am)

 

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View Mapletree's Profile Mapletree Flag Croydon 28 May 22 10.34am Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by Matov


I love the West. That is the point. I want to save it although I fear it is too late and suspect that people in the West are far to cowed now to do anything until it is too late.


And yes, my plans are to head east (helped in no small part by already having one foot in the door) if things carry on as they are. There is already a drip-drip effect going on with people heading out to central and eastern Europe. Tiny amounts at the moment but I suspect the numbers will grow and grow.

I get the anger from you, I really do. Because that is what the narrative we are constantly fed is. Russia bad, Putin mad. Been going on for the best part of 30 years now, ever since NATO saw its entire reason for being just fade away within 12 months when the wall came down.

Putin actually wanted Russia to become part of NATO. To really take its part in Europe's future. All rejected. Why? This is all I ask of you to look into. To try and take a slightly deeper look beyond what the same people who lied to you about weapons of mass destruction and Iraq are telling you about Russia and Putin. And they the same people. 100%.

You want me to justify Putin's invasion of Ukraine? Then no. I truly wished he had not done it for all kinds of reasons, not least because it pits me against many of my own people. But I can 100% sympathise with the 'why'. The West has been provoking him for decades, with Ukraine serving the role of their proxy by way of it. And now he has reacted.

Russia has autarky. It can feed and it can keep its own people warn. Its currency is the best performing one in the world this year ( [Link] ). Is Putin really that mad? Or bad?

All I ask is that people question the 'why' they are told by all the usual sources in the west.

Edited by Matov (28 May 2022 8.44am)

In response to a March 2009 suggestion by Polish foreign minister Radoslaw Sikorski that Russia join NATO, the Russian envoy to NATO, Dmitry Rogozin, stated that Russia had not ruled that out as a future possibility but that it instead preferred to keep practical limited cooperation with NATO, adding that Russia wanted to be NATO's "partner" provided that Georgia (with which Russia had a war the previous year) and Ukraine did not join the alliance.

Edited by Mapletree (28 May 2022 10.36am)

 

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 28 May 22 1.24pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

In response to a March 2009 suggestion by Polish foreign minister Radoslaw Sikorski that Russia join NATO, the Russian envoy to NATO, Dmitry Rogozin, stated that Russia had not ruled that out as a future possibility but that it instead preferred to keep practical limited cooperation with NATO, adding that Russia wanted to be NATO's "partner" provided that Georgia (with which Russia had a war the previous year) and Ukraine did not join the alliance.

Edited by Mapletree (28 May 2022 10.36am)

It's important that the impression isn't given here that Putin hadn't asked about Russia becoming part of NATO more than once but being rebuffed more than once.

What you are stating is Russia's later position, at a time where its attitude was hardening against Nato's ambitions.

Edited by Stirlingsays (28 May 2022 1.24pm)

 


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W12 28 May 22 1.47pm

The media seem to be losing interest in this war or are they simply trying to pull the curtains down while Zelenski feeds more conscripts into the Russian meat grinder?

 

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Originally posted by W12

The media seem to be losing interest in this war or are they simply trying to pull the curtains down while Zelenski feeds more conscripts into the Russian meat grinder?

They are fighting in resitance to Russian fascist aggression.

 

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View SW19 CPFC's Profile SW19 CPFC Flag Addiscombe West 28 May 22 2.15pm Send a Private Message to SW19 CPFC Add SW19 CPFC as a friend

Originally posted by BlueJay

You love it so much you're planning on jumping ship, to a culture where people there will recognise you to be alien from it while you convince yourself they're your 'brothers' and so it'll all be fine. Good luck with that. Sounds more like an entitled Benidorm Brit style mentality. At least you won't be moving for the sun I suppose.

Edited by BlueJay (28 May 2022 11.06am)

Benidorm. Horrendous

 


Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

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W12 28 May 22 4.16pm

How civilians met their conquerers in Svetlodarsk

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Originally posted by W12

How civilians met their conquerers in Svetlodarsk

You seriously believe this s***e?

 

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W12 28 May 22 4.23pm

Originally posted by georgenorman

You seriously believe this s***e?

Yes I do because I’ve now seen countless similar videos and testimonies of from civilians in the region and it’s backed by what independent journalists are saying on the ground plus the history of what’s been going on in the region for years.

 

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Originally posted by W12

Yes I do because I’ve now seen countless similar videos and testimonies of from civilians in the region and it’s backed by what independent journalists are saying on the ground plus the history of what’s been going on in the region for years.

You are a deluded fool.

 

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W12 28 May 22 4.30pm

Originally posted by georgenorman

You are a deluded fool.

Generally I find that’s the person without an argument

 

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Originally posted by W12

Generally I find that’s the person without an argument

I couldn't care less what you find.

 

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