You are here: Home > Message Board > News & Politics > Ukraine Situation - Should We Be Worried?
March 29 2024 9.12am

Ukraine Situation - Should We Be Worried?

Previous Topic | Next Topic


Page 280 of 459 < 276 277 278 279 280 281 282 283 284 >

 

View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 16 Jun 22 10.15pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Western placed sanctions are hurting the working class man here more than in Russia itself....most people on any side have little interest in foreign wars....Especially not in ways that affect their ability to put food on their family's table and pay their bills....How much say do they get?...when winter is here a lot of this will hit home despite the government's welcome attempts to lessen the impact.

At a time where efforts should be focused upon a negotiated peace all we see are one eyed justifications for the continuance of a war that Nato has no obligation to fight.

That fecking idiot in the WH and the neo cons on both the Democrat and Republican side have just added another billion towards fighting this war to the last Ukrainian.....some of whom are drafted against their will and forced to fight.

It's often the case that rather than admit that their judgement was poor people will increasingly double down on a position just as long as they themselves aren't suffering that badly as ego is far more important to most.

However, this war was a fecking disaster with no good outcome for the west from the very start and its outcomes for us and the Ukraine just worsen with its length.

Edited by Stirlingsays (16 Jun 2022 7.19pm)

Agree. I said at the beginning Ukraine should’ve been allowed (and helped to make it fsir) the chance to defend and not make it a pushover. However, there are clearly going to be worldwide problems and there are very little efforts to bring about peace by negotiation which is no doubt the only other option to more and more ammunition and warheads.

 


COYP

Alert Alert a moderator to this post Edit this post Quote this post in a reply
View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 16 Jun 22 10.40pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Agree. I said at the beginning Ukraine should’ve been allowed (and helped to make it fsir) the chance to defend and not make it a pushover. However, there are clearly going to be worldwide problems and there are very little efforts to bring about peace by negotiation which is no doubt the only other option to more and more ammunition and warheads.

Both WW1 and 2 came about by alliances being activated....Today you don't need alliances just pearl clutchers.

Can you imagine being a western Ukrainian after the war?...if there is a viable western Ukraine after this war....because the way it's been structured I don't see anyone negotiating now. After the war with the amount of debt they are in now anyone with more than two brain cells who isn't in a criminal gang is going to leave.

It could be a complete mess.....possibly a 'European Libya' in Eastern Europe. Hopefully the EU won't allow that to happen...but we'll see.


Edited by Stirlingsays (16 Jun 2022 10.44pm)

 


'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Alert Alert a moderator to this post Edit this post Quote this post in a reply
BlueJay Flag UK 16 Jun 22 11.12pm

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Agree. I said at the beginning Ukraine should’ve been allowed (and helped to make it fsir) the chance to defend and not make it a pushover. However, there are clearly going to be worldwide problems and there are very little efforts to bring about peace by negotiation which is no doubt the only other option to more and more ammunition and warheads.

I always hope that there is more going on behind the scenes that we know of, but that could be wishful thinking on my part. It pays to factor in though, that even in an eventuality where Ukraine and Russia band over backwards it doesn't mean that Russia will play ball or that they have any real motivation to do so. They clearly initially intended on going 'the whole way'. I'm not sure the no longer arming Ukraine would make them less likely to push on, it could have the opposite effect. There's an argument for various approaches, and stalling progress to the point where they come to the table is one of them. To my mind there are no easy answers really, where we get a guaranteed outcome if we do X, Y, or Z. It's a horror show regardless of what comes next.

 

Alert Alert a moderator to this post Quote this post in a reply
View Ouzo Dan's Profile Ouzo Dan 17 Jun 22 7.43am Send a Private Message to Ouzo Dan Add Ouzo Dan as a friend

Crazy footage of fighting in severodonestk - have a look at 1:30ish at how close that incoming small arms fire is.



 


Sex Panther 60% of the time it works every time

Alert Alert a moderator to this post Edit this post Quote this post in a reply
View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 17 Jun 22 1.51pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Ouzo Dan

Crazy footage of fighting in severodonestk - have a look at 1:30ish at how close that incoming small arms fire is.



Russian reports say they have control of most of that city now with most of the resistance held up in the Azot power plant.....an estimated 2500 mix of troops, foreign mercs and civilians. They are allowing a pathway for surrender to Russian confinement. A lot is being thrown by both sides around this area.

I suspect that Russia have decided to go with death sentences for foreigners as a way of deterring all but the most committed.

The Ukraine do seem to be making some progress on their southern offensive. Reports suggest that they are fighting somewhere around 20km from Kherson after making inroads.

As ever developments on the battlefield suffer from the fog of war, fast changing conditions and propaganda from both sides.

Edited by Stirlingsays (17 Jun 2022 1.52pm)

 


'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Alert Alert a moderator to this post Edit this post Quote this post in a reply
View Ouzo Dan's Profile Ouzo Dan 17 Jun 22 6.56pm Send a Private Message to Ouzo Dan Add Ouzo Dan as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Russian reports say they have control of most of that city now with most of the resistance held up in the Azot power plant.....an estimated 2500 mix of troops, foreign mercs and civilians. They are allowing a pathway for surrender to Russian confinement. A lot is being thrown by both sides around this area.

I suspect that Russia have decided to go with death sentences for foreigners as a way of deterring all but the most committed.

The Ukraine do seem to be making some progress on their southern offensive. Reports suggest that they are fighting somewhere around 20km from Kherson after making inroads.

As ever developments on the battlefield suffer from the fog of war, fast changing conditions and propaganda from both sides.

Edited by Stirlingsays (17 Jun 2022 1.52pm)


Map of the region attached
I've been posting about this area & how the Ukrainian forces are in danger of being cut off for weeks now, it's pretty fluid at the moment with Russians taking ground however I've also read that the ukr forces have moved artillery into position which has forced the Russians back - it's every bit as brutal as the fighting in Mariupol.
I'm assuming the bridges into severodonestk have been blown not sure if the ukr forces have a way out towards lysychansk or not.

Screenshot_2022-06-17-19-23-02-911_com.brave.browser.jpg Attachment: Screenshot_2022-06-17-19-23-02-911_com.brave.browser.jpg (964.73Kb)

 


Sex Panther 60% of the time it works every time

Alert Alert a moderator to this post Edit this post Quote this post in a reply
View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 17 Jun 22 7.14pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Ouzo Dan

Map of the region attached
I've been posting about this area & how the Ukrainian forces are in danger of being cut off for weeks now, it's pretty fluid at the moment with Russians taking ground however I've also read that the ukr forces have moved artillery into position which has forced the Russians back - it's every bit as brutal as the fighting in Mariupol.
I'm assuming the bridges into severodonestk have been blown not sure if the ukr forces have a way out towards lysychansk or not.

I'm hearing that the Russians are already fighting around the bridge area closest to Lysychansk and that pockets of troops are surrendering around the Azot plant.....not that it makes sense for the mercs to.

No doubt artillery duels will decide who progresses initially around that bridge area. I think the Ukrainians have a lot of troops in Lysychansk and while they aren't cut off a lot of fighting is yet to come.

All the bridges are damaged too much for armour to cross but infantry can......Whoever wins that area will use sapper equipment for the bridges to allow armour to cross.

Edited by Stirlingsays (17 Jun 2022 7.18pm)

 


'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Alert Alert a moderator to this post Edit this post Quote this post in a reply
View The groover's Profile The groover Flag Danbury 18 Jun 22 6.52pm Send a Private Message to The groover Add The groover as a friend

A russian warship has entered Danish waters twice, which they obviously denied!!

Denmark are in Nato. Love to see the f*****s try that with us.

They can't deny it if it sinks in our seas!!!!!

 

Alert Alert a moderator to this post Edit this post Quote this post in a reply
View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 18 Jun 22 6.59pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Don't quite know what happened there.


Edited by Stirlingsays (18 Jun 2022 7.04pm)

 


'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Alert Alert a moderator to this post Edit this post Quote this post in a reply
View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 18 Jun 22 7.02pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend


You were scared to walk around people without masks but you're fine with escalating to nuclear war over trespass?

Let's hope that calm people are involved in all that.....I quite like living and I can survive a virus far more easily than I can a fireball with gamma rays.


Edited by Stirlingsays (18 Jun 2022 7.03pm)

 


'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Alert Alert a moderator to this post Edit this post Quote this post in a reply
View The groover's Profile The groover Flag Danbury 18 Jun 22 7.44pm Send a Private Message to The groover Add The groover as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays


You were scared to walk around people without masks but you're fine with escalating to nuclear war over trespass?

Let's hope that calm people are involved in all that.....I quite like living and I can survive a virus far more easily than I can a fireball with gamma rays.


Edited by Stirlingsays (18 Jun 2022 7.03pm)

If I was "scared" I would have stayed at home instead of working in different hospitals every day during the entire pandemic. I could have easily cried off but put others before myself.

 

Alert Alert a moderator to this post Edit this post Quote this post in a reply
View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 18 Jun 22 7.57pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by The groover

If I was "scared" I would have stayed at home instead of working in different hospitals every day during the entire pandemic. I could have easily cried off but put others before myself.

Well, you were going ape during that two year period...and while I don't want to bring all that madness up again I'm simply contrasting your concerns here.....With apparently no concern over chancing many millions dying, hey even possibly humanity going back to the stone age for a pointless war over what?...A war in eastern Europe....or which ship is taking the p1ss in whose waters?

If the Russians want to buzz Nato ships, then fire water cannon at them or p1ss them off some other way......However, no one should be sinking nothing in stakes this high.

What we need is de-escalation, not chest beating.

Edited by Stirlingsays (18 Jun 2022 7.58pm)

 


'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Alert Alert a moderator to this post Edit this post Quote this post in a reply

 

Page 280 of 459 < 276 277 278 279 280 281 282 283 284 >

Previous Topic | Next Topic

You are here: Home > Message Board > News & Politics > Ukraine Situation - Should We Be Worried?