Ukraine Situation - Should We Be Worried?
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  Wisbech Eagle Online  Truro Cornwall 19 Oct 22 1.37pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
WE doesn't actually review or visit these sources himself, he just gives his opinion with no evidence other than his biases. The mainstream media apparently, can choose which stories to run and which to omit, what narrative to give to those stories and tell you what you should think.....and you should be happy. Take your propaganda like a good little sheep....just as long as it's mainstream....because apparently lawyers checking on what you should know matters a lot.....So the German citizen doesn't get to know who blew up their pipelines that they have to pay for...because 'national security'.....well how about the angle that in reality it's elites protecting themselves from criticism for decisions that have bad outcomes. Apparently the MSM only tell you what's in your best interest and about protecting you from 'fake news'...just giving you the truth, except when they deem it not to be in your interest....which of course you should agree with. Well, I say b0llocks to that. I say whoever is curating information has their own agenda...that's whether it's us or the Russians or anyone else. What matters to me is what is true....I don't accept lies or any BS language meaning the same thing. I say the individual should take in multiple sources and decide for themselves what the truth is.....using their own brain....which apparently only mainstream 'editors' can do. Like I said, wherever a news source is coming from.....use your own brain to ascertain whether it's BS or not.....compare the news you are given with what the result is....don't trust talking heads who don't stand up to scrutiny or who won't admit or review mistakes when they are wrong....you will notice that they just don't mention it again...deliberate omission is probably where most lying is done. I'm happy for people to compare both of mine and WE posts and decide for themselves who they can trust on the material they read, themselves or the mainstream media.
I don't bother with sources that have no routine fact checking before they publish. It's simple common sense. I have no way to verify whether something is genuine, or not, so I must trust others to do so. You learn to trust by experience and intelligence. Hopefully I have enough of both to make a meaningful judgement. There's no bias involved in determining what kind of source can be trusted. Those in free and open democracies can be. Those in authoritarian regimes cannot be. "Visiting" the sources won't inform anyone anything unless you apply the kind of critique I describe first. The MSM can and do select stories to paint pictures which match their political objectives. However the MSM is not a homogenous mass all singing from the same hymn sheet. Review a selection and between them you will be able to discern enough to grasp what the general truth is likely to be. Use "alternative" sources and you expose yourself to completely fake news and videos, which look and feel authentic. Those outlets which proclaim that they don't moderate are actually aiding and abetting the spread of propaganda. Multiple sources are great. Just make sure that all the sources are actually reliable and true. If suspect, reject them. Unedited sources are suspect. If you have already developed a bias against the way the west is approaching this conflict then you are going to be more susceptible to believing well presented BS. BS which normally contains enough half truths to make it believable but reaches conclusions which are not actually true. Good quality broadcasts and videos are easy these days with the software which is now available. Put them in the hands of skilled users who are working on behalf of Putin and what gets published is what some people want you to trust alongside the likes of the BBC. It really doesn't stack up.
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Forest Hillbilly  in a hidey-hole 19 Oct 22 1.57pm |
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The Ukraine city of Kherson civilian population asked to leave, by the occupying Russians. However, Ukraine has told them to stay put, as they mount an offensive to retake the city. Russian soldiers dressed as civilians and mingling around. Perhaps larger weaponry to be used by Russia ? or taking of civilian evacuees as human shields/POW's ?
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| Stirlingsays 19 Oct 22 6.39pm |
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The Indian Foreign Ministry is the latest to urge its citizens to leave Ukraine immediately. Putin announced the introduction of martial law in the new territories. Edited by Stirlingsays (19 Oct 2022 6.41pm)
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| Stirlingsays 19 Oct 22 6.45pm |
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Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly
The Ukraine city of Kherson civilian population asked to leave, by the occupying Russians. However, Ukraine has told them to stay put, as they mount an offensive to retake the city. Russian soldiers dressed as civilians and mingling around. Perhaps larger weaponry to be used by Russia ? or taking of civilian evacuees as human shields/POW's ? What I'm hearing is that it's more the regions around the river than the city. They think Ukraine are going to rocket the dam and flood the region so want to evacuate those areas. However, I'm also hearing that Russia intend to deploy an army of 150 thousand in Kherson and want the empty apartment and housing space in the city.....I'm suspecting both might be true....if it is I hope those people take their valuables. It's all speculation of course. If it's true that they will put that size an army in Kherson then I think that means they are going for Odessa and...oh I've forgotten the name of the other city there. However, Ukraine/Nato will obviously have other ideas and intend to take Kherson themselves so let's see. Edited by Stirlingsays (19 Oct 2022 8.28pm)
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HKOwen  Hong Kong 19 Oct 22 10.08pm |
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Is Putin going to make Kherson his Stalingrad?
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| Stirlingsays 19 Oct 22 10.20pm |
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Originally posted by HKOwen
Is Putin going to make Kherson his Stalingrad? They will fight for this city because if they lose it then Crimea loses its water supply. It's all horrible of course and even though we know it's not going to happen I think we all want peace as soon as possible. However from a purely military tactical point of view this is going to be fascinating.....it's obvious that Ukraine are under pressure to take Kherson before the mid terms....Russia are making inroads elsewhere in the donbas and the Russians think that's because they have moved some forces from a lot of areas as they are building for a massive attack on Kherson. Russia is also building up troop numbers in the region and will have a large army themselves come November. I expect the fighting will reach the city at some point with the Russians playing fire and retreat until they reach the city. It's likely to be a bloodbath whatever the result. Edited by Stirlingsays (19 Oct 2022 10.21pm)
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Frickin Saweet  South Cronx 20 Oct 22 11.14am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I would love that to happen. If we could end this tomorrow and even undo some of the considerable cold war damage done it would be great.....unfortunately it isn't going to happen now. I think if you had been following this closely you would understand that the chance for this went in late March, early April. People who have been taking note understand that an agreement was pretty close. Essentially the state department and Johnson decided that this was a great opportunity to weaken Russia both economically and militarily without losing their own people....using the Ukraine to fight till the last Ukrainian, so to speak. I think they massively underestimated just how damaging this war would be to our own economies....pretty much the hubris of many wars...and the damage it would do in strengthening anti-western countries.....I called this war as a disaster the moment it turned cold. Anyway, they are going to put out their mobilization and countless more are going to die. What should concern all of us is the 'all in' nature of both Russia and Nato with this war...I'm not even going to mention Ukraine in regards to that as I think they are puppets at this point with little real agency. From what I can gather, the earliest negotiation can happen now is after the results of that.....whatever it is. I hear that they are putting thousands into combat each day and that the full 300,000 will be fighting mid to late November. The Ukraine troops out number the Russians at the moment but we will see what happens then....I imagine the Ukraine are also getting as many mercenaries as they can. Putin's latest words tend to suggest that he's mind is as closed as Zelensky's are on negotiation.....this will be decided in blood. It's a human disaster that should have been avoided. Edited by Stirlingsays (19 Oct 2022 2.43am) The negotiating positions are miles apart and so they should be. As they were earlier in the year. It's no business of Russia to re-draw the borders of a neighbouring country. Until they have fecked off Ukraine's land this war will carry on. Outside chance that Crimea could be the concession Ukraine makes, but we're a long way from that.
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| Stirlingsays 20 Oct 22 2.42pm |
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Originally posted by Frickin Saweet
The negotiating positions are miles apart and so they should be. As they were earlier in the year. It's no business of Russia to re-draw the borders of a neighbouring country. Until they have fecked off Ukraine's land this war will carry on. Outside chance that Crimea could be the concession Ukraine makes, but we're a long way from that. I've answered the invasion point many times in the thread, so you'll forgive me if I don't again. You are perfectly entitled to take the Ukrainian position in regards to funding and fighting this war. I can see and have some sympathy with the position, it's just not where I arrived at after taking in all the elements. I think we can agree that there will be no negotiations in the short term and that this will ultimately be decided in blood. I don't agree with how we got here or the various justifications for the several escalations. But there you go, it doesn't matter what we plebs think.
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| Badger11 Beckenham 20 Oct 22 3.02pm |
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I see Shetland has lost its underwater sea communications a week after another island, I wonder if this is an accident or Russia is sending us a message.
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| Grumbles 22 Oct 22 7.27pm |
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Originally posted by Frickin Saweet
The negotiating positions are miles apart and so they should be. As they were earlier in the year. It's no business of Russia to re-draw the borders of a neighbouring country. Until they have fecked off Ukraine's land this war will carry on. Outside chance that Crimea could be the concession Ukraine makes, but we're a long way from that. You can't negotiate with Stirling's friends, the far right has an agenda and it will never be crushed by majority opinion. I think we can agree that there will be no negotiations until the first battlefield device is detonated, and the world realises the baselessness of the far-right cuckold boys
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| Stirlingsays 22 Oct 22 10.01pm |
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Originally posted by Grumbles
You can't negotiate with Stirling's friends, the far right has an agenda and it will never be crushed by majority opinion. I think we can agree that there will be no negotiations until the first battlefield device is detonated, and the world realises the baselessness of the far-right cuckold boys Call me a cuckold will you?....Your agenda is just to insult. I never had a problem with you but you decided to have one with me. If you said that to my face we would see who the 'cuckold' would be. Edited by Stirlingsays (22 Oct 2022 10.11pm)
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| Stirlingsays 22 Oct 22 11.40pm |
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There continues to be a big build up of both sides in the Kherson region. I'm getting the impression things are about to kick off. The Russians are expecting an attempt to take the city before the November mid-terms. Elsewhere in Ukraine the Russians seem to be advancing slowly on several fronts. Edited by Stirlingsays (22 Oct 2022 11.47pm)
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