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View Mapletree's Profile Mapletree Flag Croydon 09 May 22 10.19pm Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by W12

Maybe someone can explain to me why Zelenski is quite so wealthy?

It’s hard to explain anything to someone as one eyed as you but let’s try

A popular internet meme currently making the rounds claims without evidence that Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelensky is worth $1.4 billion – “more than Will Smith, Chris Rock, and Dave Chapelle combined.” The insinuation is clear. For Zelensky, a former comedian, to have accumulated a fortune of this size, there must be corruption involved. And while this claim has been parroted by its fair share of anonymous Twitter eggs, a number of blue checks have gotten in on the action.

Lee Stranahan, an American host on Kremlin-owned and controlled Radio Sputnik featured in the Oliver Stone documentary “Revealing Ukraine,” tweeted to his nearly 100,000 followers: “Why Is Zelensky a Billionaire?”

Forbes’ answer: he’s not. The Russian invasion has hit Ukraine’s billionaires hard. According to Forbes’ 36th annual World’s Billionaires List, there are only seven left in the country and Zelensky is not one of them (nor is former president and chocolate magnate Petro Poroshenko, who dropped from the rankings this year).

But unlike his predecessor, Zelensky never was a billionaire. He’s currently worth roughly $20 million, based on reporting by Forbes Ukraine. Additional reporting by Forbes US puts that number at less than $30 million.

His main asset: an estimated 25% stake in Kvartal 95, a group of companies that produce humorous shows, which he transferred to his partners after being elected president, though he’ll likely regain his shares after leaving office. Kvartal 95 produced and owns the Servant of the People series, a popular political comedy starring Zelensky as a Ukrainian high school teacher who is elected president. Netflix, which previously streamed the show between 2017 and 2021, snapped up the rights again in March. With estimated revenues of $30 million annually, Forbes Ukraine values Zelensky’s stake at $11 million.

 

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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 09 May 22 10.32pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Nicholas91

Are you trying to convince us or yourself Wissie?

Neither. It's simply the truth. I have a lot on, especially at this time of year. It's the bowling season, so am playing a lot. I am also a local official, so involved in officiating, planning, phone advice and meetings. The garden needs work. The dog needs walking. My wife is very busy at work and has no time to help. Little time to read books.

 


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W12 09 May 22 10.46pm

 

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View Mapletree's Profile Mapletree Flag Croydon 09 May 22 11.09pm Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Why don’t you just post a link to Sputnik and cut out the middle man. Everything you post is disinformation, malinformation or misinformation.

I truly hope the other conspiracy theorists on here aren’t as gullible as you.

On this one, if it happened then it should be recognised that Mariupol has nearly half of its population as Russian speakers. There will be Russian sympathisers. However I note that this rumour was started by RT.

This is the lady concerned.

[Link]

The Russian media all says she was evacuated from Azovstal with the help of the Russian military…

Edited by Mapletree (09 May 2022 11.10pm)

 

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View Tim Gypsy Hill '64's Profile Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Flag Stoke sub normal 10 May 22 12.38am Send a Private Message to Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Add Tim Gypsy Hill '64 as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

Why don’t you just post a link to Sputnik and cut out the middle man. Everything you post is disinformation, malinformation or misinformation.

I truly hope the other conspiracy theorists on here aren’t as gullible as you.

On this one, if it happened then it should be recognised that Mariupol has nearly half of its population as Russian speakers. There will be Russian sympathisers. However I note that this rumour was started by RT.

This is the lady concerned.

[Link]

The Russian media all says she was evacuated from Azovstal with the help of the Russian military…

Edited by Mapletree (09 May 2022 11.10pm)

Maybe it's just information that you don't agree with? I'm not suggesting that the link is bona fide, just that you, in particular, claim everything you don't believe is not valid in some way. How about discussing other opinions and ideas, instead of just off-handedly dismissing them? This is a forum for debate.

 


Systematically dragged down by the lawmakers

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BlueJay Flag UK 10 May 22 1.44am

The fact that this aggressive invasion took place, result of that and continuation of it do not change because of pushes to demonise the Ukranian people. As stated nobody has said that all elements of those beseiged are peace loving, they clearly take all support they can get in the midst of a criss that may impact the very nature of their future and country.

Sustained campaigns that only highlight the wrongs of those on the receiving of what is clearly and factually taking place are hardly the 'objective' angle they are portrayed to be. Solely pro russia media essentially, with pushes from whose who would not legally even being able to hold an equivalent counter stance in Russia.

Edited by BlueJay (10 May 2022 1.44am)

 

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View Forest Hillbilly's Profile Forest Hillbilly Flag in a hidey-hole 10 May 22 6.10am Send a Private Message to Forest Hillbilly Add Forest Hillbilly as a friend

And the provocation of expanding NATO further into the East, the catalyst of following events, is being lost in the fog of escalating conflict.

 


"The facts have changed", Rishi Sunak

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View Nicholas91's Profile Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 10 May 22 7.40am Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

Originally posted by BlueJay

The fact that this aggressive invasion took place, result of that and continuation of it do not change because of pushes to demonise the Ukranian people. As stated nobody has said that all elements of those beseiged are peace loving, they clearly take all support they can get in the midst of a criss that may impact the very nature of their future and country.

Sustained campaigns that only highlight the wrongs of those on the receiving of what is clearly and factually taking place are hardly the 'objective' angle they are portrayed to be. Solely pro russia media essentially, with pushes from whose who would not legally even being able to hold an equivalent counter stance in Russia.

Edited by BlueJay (10 May 2022 1.44am)

Yep agree.

Mind you, I did see a clip of grown adults swearing the other day when their residential building was hit by artillery. Usually, I wouldn't mind but they took the Lord's name in vain and in front of children so perhaps it was justified?

They also showed a clip of a Ukrainian man eating his soup with a dessert spoon. Again, I may be inclined to believe this military attack on civilians is justified after witnessing such barbarism.

 


Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

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W12 10 May 22 8.11am

Originally posted by BlueJay

The fact that this aggressive invasion took place, result of that and continuation of it do not change because of pushes to demonise the Ukranian people. As stated nobody has said that all elements of those beseiged are peace loving, they clearly take all support they can get in the midst of a criss that may impact the very nature of their future and country.

Sustained campaigns that only highlight the wrongs of those on the receiving of what is clearly and factually taking place are hardly the 'objective' angle they are portrayed to be. Solely pro russia media essentially, with pushes from whose who would not legally even being able to hold an equivalent counter stance in Russia.

Edited by BlueJay (10 May 2022 1.44am)

You are not willing to look at the history of the region, what has been going on in the Ukraine in recent years, what diplomacy has happened and what internal conflict has already transpired but mainly you just want to treat Ukrainians as an over simplified block of victims under a blue and yellow flag.

 

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View Nicholas91's Profile Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 10 May 22 8.51am Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Neither. It's simply the truth. I have a lot on, especially at this time of year. It's the bowling season, so am playing a lot. I am also a local official, so involved in officiating, planning, phone advice and meetings. The garden needs work. The dog needs walking. My wife is very busy at work and has no time to help. Little time to read books.

'Twas only jest sir.

 


Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

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Originally posted by Mapletree

Why don’t you just post a link to Sputnik and cut out the middle man. Everything you post is disinformation, malinformation or misinformation.

I truly hope the other conspiracy theorists on here aren’t as gullible as you.

On this one, if it happened then it should be recognised that Mariupol has nearly half of its population as Russian speakers. There will be Russian sympathisers. However I note that this rumour was started by RT.

This is the lady concerned.

[Link]

The Russian media all says she was evacuated from Azovstal with the help of the Russian military…

Edited by Mapletree (09 May 2022 11.10pm)

I haven't looked at these links so I have no idea what is true to what isn't....which interpretation is the good faith one.

I think a general sceptical nature towards all media....somewhat ironically, especially the Guardian.....is just a factor of experience of the person who is bothered to refer back....because media rarely admits or tracks back on its mistakes - deliberate or not.

War obviously accelerates this tendency as does politics. However, unless the scepticism is coming from someone who actually cares about truth independent of bias, a truth independent of whether it supports their side or not....then also their observations need a certain level of scepticism as well.

For example, you yourself Maple have used and praised 'Al Jazeera' links and opinions on topics.... Qatar's state-owned Arabic-language broadcaster...just how objective and pro western are they compared to say Sputnik I might ask?

I think all of us have to be wary of being fooled by media. It reminds me of a passage in Matthew: 'why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?' We are all in danger of that.

I think the person who is generally willing to dig behind more than just one narrative but multiple has a better chance of being more correct than most.

A truthful journalist is more likely than a network and honest versions of both are like gold-dust.

Edited by Stirlingsays (10 May 2022 9.31am)

 


'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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BlueJay Flag UK 10 May 22 9.32am

Originally posted by W12

You are not willing to look at the history of the region, what has been going on in the Ukraine in recent years, what diplomacy has happened and what internal conflict has already transpired but mainly you just want to treat Ukrainians as an over simplified block of victims under a blue and yellow flag.

On the contrary, I have acknowledged complexities in the area. I am highlighting that the ongoing invasion was an ideological decision and that the relentless aggressor is clear to see. As was their initial intention until they met significant opposition. You perpetually post anti Ukranian material, in order to make the Ukranian people appear as if they either a neo nazi nation (curated propoganda videos that could be used to portray our own nation in such a light - because rather pathetically as we well know every nation has its share of neo nazi sympathising inadequates) or solely being percecuted by said neo nazis (during an ongoing Russian bombardment and invasion). If you want to implore balance look closer to home.

But on this subject alone, your adamanace that Ukranians shouldn't be armed and that we should be ashamed for doing so says everything about how one eyed your take is, and how blind or unconcerned you are to the fate you would have these people face on a national scale.


Edited by BlueJay (10 May 2022 9.33am)

 

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