I'd largely agree, though I think the Afghanistan war was justified......but to stay there and try to turn that country into some kind of westernised democracy was the kind of idiocy only our elites could muster. .....Again, no one gets to answer for it....feck things up, spend tens of billions, lost thousands of lives and just walk away fully protected by the system. Well, feck em.

We lost 55 people in those buildings and it was a direct attack on the west....even if I'd agree that the west itself is a puppet in that region.... everyone who died that day was innocent. Anyone who watched those buildings come down and didn't think a response was justified I just don't get.

But low quality elites fecked it all up....doubled down again and again and just get to walk away....Sorry I keep saying it but it really angers me. It's happening today....if our political system had any sort of sense the day after the commander in chief Biden oversaw 80 billion's worth of military equipment going to the Taliban he should have been out of office faster than his feet could carry him.

But I agree, there are significant questions over the Serbian war and Iraqi ones....and my brother fought in the first one.

We involved ourselves in external wars that were none of our business.

Edited by Stirlingsays (21 May 2022 9.15pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Yes, I believe in most of the official narrative of that attack....not all but most.

I do agree with you on the elite class and indeed I've promoted elite theory on here.

Edited by Stirlingsays (21 May 2022 9.56pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Hardly! You have asserted it as a fact. Which is a common pattern among those who promote conspiracy theories.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

I don't understand what you are suggesting here? I haven't really followed the narrative of your posts TBH and could suggest what I think you are getting at but could you summarise in no more than 3/4 paragraphs?

Yes, it is mainly because I am now struggling to entertain myself this Saturday night but it seems to me as though you are suggesting that Russia is actually performing some sort of Denazification on a neighbour, that the rest of the world is somehow in cahoots with these Ukrainian Nazis so the entire narrative has been completely distorted and fabricated to deceive all of us with the intention to ensure the introduction of Nazism but Putin is actually some sort of heroic martyr as the only world leader to attempting to save the world from this Nazism?

Breath. That's a very genuine and literal post/question. No other intention/nuance/motive.

Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

It is a fact.

It's been written about and verified within elites themselves.

You are the guy who thinks the public have control over elites.....something no one even on your side was willing to back you on. You have blown your credibility there I think.

If you think you can spot a common pattern, don't worry, your common purpose whistle is loud enough for anyone who knows the sound.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

I think this thread has exposed a lot of posters short-comings,...not least of which my own. I have altered my opinion periodically, based on other posters contributions and on information as it comes.
One thing I have learned is not to put too much reliance on media outlets. The Ukraine war has exposed many flaws of the media, not just in the UK, but worldwide.

I think a few posters credibility was blown out of the water on this thread.

"The facts have changed", Rishi Sunak