I give a s*** about everyone that’s been mislead and propagandised and I don’t think ill of them for doing so because it’s not a conscious choice and would have been me just a few years ago.

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Yeah you’ve definitely got me wrong. I’m the polar opposite of “new age”.

Svetlodarsk has about 11,000 people. It’s not much more than a village.

Where was that video from, Paris?

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To become a Nato member requires a country to hold, and commit to continuing to uphold, the common values shared by its members. If Ukraine failed that test, what chance would Russia have?

When Nato's primary reason for existence is to deter Russian aggression, the idea of admitting its main adversary would never be taken seriously and was, almost certainly, just another piece of Putin propaganda designed to wind up the gullible.

This idea that Russians are our European, "Christian", brothers, and ought therefore be regarded as potential partners makes my buttocks wince.

It's nonsense. The only thing that is common is the colour of our skin, and that is totally irrelevant. Their values, morals and, especially, their leadership is diametrically opposed to us. Or at least, to most of us. That a few voice sympathy on here is pretty repugnant, but I don't read it anywhere else.

Even our Churches are distancing themselves from the Russian Orthodox Church on the basis that their defence of Putin cannot be justified by any Christian sect.

I don't doubt Russians could be like us, if they were exposed to, and taught our values for a few generations, but that's true of everyone, whatever their ethnicity. Until they are they aren't our brothers. They are our enemies.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.