Olise, luck or skill?
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 A89M  Streatham 23 Mar 22 10.02am |
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Originally posted by MrRobbo
I am genuinely staggered to understand how people think this was intentional, and not some freak miss hit. But it also doesn’t mean that we are doubting his ability, he’s a superstar in the making. We played well enough to deserve a slice of luck. Agreed. I saw this thread a couple of days ago and thought it was a bit of tongue in cheek fun, playing on the fact that Olise is such a special talent but to my amazement people believe it was deliberate. Has anyone slowed it down? Youtube allows you to slow it down to 0.25 speed in the settings and you can clearly see his right foot comes across too far as he strikes the ball which means the ball rolls over the top, giving it the spin that loops the ball onto the post. No way has he meant that.
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| regpaddock Suffolk 23 Mar 22 10.16am |
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You're amazed, I'm amazed too. It 100% happened and we're talking as though it didn't. Perhaps he didn't mean it, just like all great skills, we're uncomfortable because it eludes our comprehension.
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| peterg Anerley 23 Mar 22 10.21am |
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I think he was aiming for the top corner and got a bit lucky. But he had tried something similar earlier, when he hit a volley in the same direction but it went high over the bar. These players have tricks which they practise and practise and then try them during a match. He played a version of the trick in the Cup at Millwall, when he curled a low one for the Palace opener and then hit the post with the same trick shortly afterwards. Wilf's current trick is the one where he cuts outside the defenders and curls it in at the far post - that's how he scored at Norwich, and he's been trying it again since then.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 23 Mar 22 10.37am |
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Originally posted by A89M
Agreed. I saw this thread a couple of days ago and thought it was a bit of tongue in cheek fun, playing on the fact that Olise is such a special talent but to my amazement people believe it was deliberate. Has anyone slowed it down? Youtube allows you to slow it down to 0.25 speed in the settings and you can clearly see his right foot comes across too far as he strikes the ball which means the ball rolls over the top, giving it the spin that loops the ball onto the post. No way has he meant that. I've watched it like that too and think it's no accident at all. His stance was quite deliberate, and he tried the same a while before, but with nothing like the same result. That's the problem. Controlling the outcome of such a move is not going to be easy, so we will see if he tries it again, or is discouraged from doing so. I played football in my youth (at Mitcham Common level!) and one of my tricks was to deliberately slice the ball with my right foot driving under and to the left. This would send the ball curling to the right. Watching a goalkeeper clutching at where the ball ought to be as it passed him was always a pleasure. Often over the bar too!
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| MrRobbo Purley 23 Mar 22 11.22am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I've watched it like that too and think it's no accident at all. His stance was quite deliberate, and he tried the same a while before, but with nothing like the same result. That's the problem. Controlling the outcome of such a move is not going to be easy, so we will see if he tries it again, or is discouraged from doing so. I played football in my youth (at Mitcham Common level!) and one of my tricks was to deliberately slice the ball with my right foot driving under and to the left. This would send the ball curling to the right. Watching a goalkeeper clutching at where the ball ought to be as it passed him was always a pleasure. Often over the bar too! Difference being, the chance before followed the ball flight you would expect. He just got it wrong and didn't get over it enough. The shot in question took a new trajectory that defies logic. Yet he approached the ball pretty much the same as the previous attempt.
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| regpaddock Suffolk 23 Mar 22 4.12pm |
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| Glazier#1 23 Mar 22 8.28pm |
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| EverybodyDannsNow SE19 24 Mar 22 12.20pm |
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Originally posted by A89M
Agreed. I saw this thread a couple of days ago and thought it was a bit of tongue in cheek fun, playing on the fact that Olise is such a special talent but to my amazement people believe it was deliberate. Has anyone slowed it down? Youtube allows you to slow it down to 0.25 speed in the settings and you can clearly see his right foot comes across too far as he strikes the ball which means the ball rolls over the top, giving it the spin that loops the ball onto the post. No way has he meant that. Honestly my first thought - I can't believe people are serious. Olise has invented a new way of kicking the ball after 200 years of the sport - amazing!
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| the.universal 24 Mar 22 12.29pm |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
Honestly my first thought - I can't believe people are serious. Olise has invented a new way of kicking the ball after 200 years of the sport - amazing! There are some other precedents, for example Ozil is credited with a new way of striking the ball I looked up the Ronaldo knuckleball free kick, this is credited to a Brazilian footballer in the 1950s. “The 1950s Brazilian star Didi invented the folha seca (dry leaf) which is nowadays commonly known as the knuckleball free kick” Innovation is a constant. Where would we be without the Fosbury flop?
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| EverybodyDannsNow SE19 24 Mar 22 12.45pm |
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Originally posted by the.universal
There are some other precedents, for example Ozil is credited with a new way of striking the ball I looked up the Ronaldo knuckleball free kick, this is credited to a Brazilian footballer in the 1950s. “The 1950s Brazilian star Didi invented the folha seca (dry leaf) which is nowadays commonly known as the knuckleball free kick” Innovation is a constant. Where would we be without the Fosbury flop? Ozil kicking the ball into the floor is not a new way of striking a ball, other than maybe on SportBible/Teenage Social Media - I don't mean that patronisingly, but it's just a clickbait headline - people have been generating lift on the ball by kicking it into the ground for years. Similarly, although the Ronaldo example proves is that it's all been done before - the volume of people who have played football mean it's near enough an impossibility by now to do something completely unique or that has never been done. Anyway, it's around the point - Olise shanked it and got lucky, which is a skill I've executed myself a few times over the years
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Slimey Toad  Karsiyaka, North Cyprus 24 Mar 22 12.47pm |
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What if it had gone in? If you can spin the ball like that accidently imagine what it would do if you do it on purpose.
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| EverybodyDannsNow SE19 24 Mar 22 12.51pm |
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Originally posted by Slimey Toad
What if it had gone in? If you can spin the ball like that accidently imagine what it would do if you do it on purpose. See every fluke goal in the history of football for your answer. As I said earlier on the thread, outcome is irrelevant in deciding whether he meant it.
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