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 Wisbech Eagle  Truro Cornwall 23 Apr 22 8.48pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
You never miss any opportunity to whine on with your anti Brexit waffle. If you raise it, and then spout your usual nonsense, then anticipate an answer from me. Le Pen has been in favour of a "Frexit" in the past, although she has muted herself on this recently so as not to risk offending too many, so there is a degree of relevance. Maybe if she wins, she will force the focus back to the core values of the EU in return for France's continued membership, and then offer us the chance to rejoin a newly configured EU? Who knows? Le Pen may yet be the lady who killed Brexit!
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 georgenorman 23 Apr 22 8.58pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
That's untrue. They are the ones formally proposing the law, but whilst Regulations take effect everywhere, Directives need to be implemented via local enactment. So who initiates the proposals. In most cases they do, in pursuit of the agreed Treaties, but the Parliament also has a role. They can debate and initiate action by the Commission. It's an unwieldy system, but any that tries to merge the interests of sovereign nation states is going to be. The EU Parliament cannot be directly compared to our, or any other member's Parliament. It serves a different purpose and operates in a different environment. It's very easy to criticise, but it also brings benefits. The Commission is a constant and not subject to wild policy swings every 5 years. It aims to achieve the objectives of the Treaties. Thus, it maintains a steady progress which is often stymied elsewhere. It is overseen by the Council and the Parliament, which has the power to dismiss it, following a vote of no confidence. You might be reassured by this:- I repeat, if you can't vote in or out the people that make the laws that govern you, then you do not live in a democracy. How do elected MEPs implement their policies?
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 23 Apr 22 9.00pm |
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Originally posted by eagleman13
I have checked back & on every News/Politics thread you have posted on, you have dropped your remoaner tosh n drivel. You like to make other posters think you are so intelligent & come across as high n mighty. You have been sussed out. Stick to the thread subject or better still, don't post at all. Every thread? That's a lot of work. I have been posting here for years, and it would take days to check them all. It's definitely not true, but I am not going to bother trying to prove it. If the link comes up, and it's relevant, then I will say so. Brexit being the most stupid self-inflicted disaster of my lifetime, you can hardly expect otherwise. I have no wish to make anyone else think anything about me. The subject is all I care about. Those though that seek to lower a debate by using ridiculous "Mail" type slang such as "remoaner" and describe contributions as "tosh n drivel" are not doing their case many favours, are they?
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 23 Apr 22 9.09pm |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
I repeat, if you can't vote in or out the people that make the laws that govern you, then you do not live in a democracy. How do elected MEPs implement their policies? They don't because the EU Parliament isn't a state Parliament. It serves another purpose, as I have already said and posted links about, so you can read for yourself. If that's your expectation, and your reason for a gripe, then you don't understand the system and are bound to be disappointed by it. Our control over the lawmaking comes differently. We agree Treaties, which set out common aims. We send Ministers to the Council to oversee priorities. We send PMs to the Heads of State meetings. We elect a Parliament which chooses the PM, and they choose the Ministers. It's all more arms length than our local Parliament but with so many other countries involved that's inevitable
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| Hrolf The Ganger 23 Apr 22 9.22pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
If you raise it, and then spout your usual nonsense, then anticipate an answer from me. Le Pen has been in favour of a "Frexit" in the past, although she has muted herself on this recently so as not to risk offending too many,faith in Brissels is pathetic. so there is a degree of relevance. Maybe if she wins, she will force the focus back to the core values of the EU in return for France's continued membership, and then offeloyalty to Europe is Oooooh! Mr self important strikes again. Can you feel that hook tugging at your lip? Your faith and loyalty to Brussels is nauseating. Clearly you have no faith in Britain, which is hardly as a surprise since you are happy to see its culture and heritage erased.
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| georgenorman 23 Apr 22 9.26pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
They don't because the EU Parliament isn't a state Parliament. It serves another purpose, as I have already said and posted links about, so you can read for yourself. If that's your expectation, and your reason for a gripe, then you don't understand the system and are bound to be disappointed by it. Our control over the lawmaking comes differently. We agree Treaties, which set out common aims. We send Ministers to the Council to oversee priorities. We send PMs to the Heads of State meetings. We elect a Parliament which chooses the PM, and they choose the Ministers. It's all more arms length than our local Parliament but with so many other countries involved that's inevitable You can waffle as much as you like, but it is clear that if you can't elect the people that make the laws that govern you, then you don't live in a democracy. Edited by georgenorman (23 Apr 2022 10.10pm)
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| W12 23 Apr 22 10.12pm | |
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Democracy 101:
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Nicholas91  The Democratic Republic of Kent 23 Apr 22 10.15pm |
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I've done this as you currently occupy the top 5 or 6 threads as the last post in N&P W12. Online fighting talk, wassup
Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!! |
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| W12 23 Apr 22 10.17pm | |
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Originally posted by Nicholas91
I've done this as you currently occupy the top 5 or 6 threads as the last post in N&P W12. Online fighting talk, wassup i like competition but prefer good arguments and sound morality even more.
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| Nicholas91 The Democratic Republic of Kent 23 Apr 22 10.40pm |
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Originally posted by W12
i like competition but prefer good arguments and sound morality even more. I like peanuts.
Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!! |
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| W12 23 Apr 22 10.48pm | |
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Originally posted by Nicholas91
I like peanuts. So do I
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HKOwen  Hong Kong 24 Apr 22 1.52am |
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So referendums are not the way to decide of EU membership in the view of some on here. That is if the result is not what you like. I have seen no mention on here of the 1975 Labour referendum on membership as being defective because such decisions should be left to Parliament. I suppose to a high degree it depends on whether you want your elected representatives to do what you want or what their political affiliation and personal ambition directs. IMHO many of the best MPs on both sides have never taken senior positions in Govt in great part to preserve their ability to vote as their constituents want.
Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance. |
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