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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag The garden of England 15 Jun 22 7.18pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by BlueJay

Does anyone actually know how much we're paying Rwanda to take people off our hands, or has it not been revealed? Apologies if this is something that's common knowledge.

Bearing in mind hmg is just about to give away 17 billion to ‘poor’ people as they can’t afford fuel, fags, beer and sky tv I reckon it’s a tiny amount compared to that.
Oh and hmg stole 47 billion; almost forgot that one !!!

 

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View ASCPFC's Profile ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 15 Jun 22 7.29pm Send a Private Message to ASCPFC Add ASCPFC as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

Bearing in mind hmg is just about to give away 17 billion to ‘poor’ people as they can’t afford fuel, fags, beer and sky tv I reckon it’s a tiny amount compared to that.
Oh and hmg stole 47 billion; almost forgot that one !!!

I thought everyone was getting money - but that the poorer get more? Is that right?

 


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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag The garden of England 15 Jun 22 7.42pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by ASCPFC

I thought everyone was getting money - but that the poorer get more? Is that right?

Not sure but the figure is what I’ve read.
If it’s as you say and I really believed the needy would benefit I would give it back. Sadly it’s the wants who would benefit so feck em. Beer and fags all the way

 

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croydon proud Flag Any european country i fancy! 15 Jun 22 9.14pm

Originally posted by cryrst

Bearing in mind hmg is just about to give away 17 billion to ‘poor’ people as they can’t afford fuel, fags, beer and sky tv I reckon it’s a tiny amount compared to that.
Oh and hmg stole 47 billion; almost forgot that one !!!

 

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BlueJay Flag UK 23 Jun 22 5.48pm

Suggestions of ignoring human rights law to push this through... you have to wonder to an extent whether this is just a stunt and a means to an ends for that, and along with it how the new 'UK Bill of Rights' how that will impact normal situations of protect and the like.

Look how eager the police are to 'politely' intimidate this protester using it (ignore that he's anti Brexit, it's irrelevant to the point and implications of the law)

If it's not going to impact protesting, why does he want a 'grown up coversation' about it.. and talk of crossing thresholds etc. The guy has a placard, he's hardly lookinf for ww3

Changes to human rights

Diminishing our right to protest

Internet censorship bill

Removing ministrial oversight for themselves

Taking over the electorial commission


I'm not even against these flights or clearly needing to do something in this area, but at the same time I think we should beware of stunts that may be used to push through other changes or get the public onside under false pretenses


Edited by BlueJay (23 Jun 2022 5.54pm)

 

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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 23 Jun 22 6.14pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by BlueJay

Suggestions of ignoring human rights law to push this through... you have to wonder to an extent whether this is just a stunt and a means to an ends for that, and along with it how the new 'UK Bill of Rights' how that will impact normal situations of protect and the like.

Look how eager the police are to 'politely' intimidate this protester using it (ignore that he's anti Brexit, it's irrelevant to the point and implications of the law)

If it's not going to impact protesting, why does he want a 'grown up coversation' about it.. and talk of crossing thresholds etc. The guy has a placard, he's hardly lookinf for ww3

Changes to human rights

Diminishing our right to protest

Internet censorship bill

Removing ministrial oversight for themselves

Taking over the electorial commission


I'm not even against these flights or clearly needing to do something in this area, but at the same time I think we should beware of stunts that may be used to push through other changes or get the public onside under false pretenses


Edited by BlueJay (23 Jun 2022 5.54pm)

It is a concern, but some protesting needs to be restricted. Some of these far Leftist idiots and middle class spoilt rich kids have brought this down on all of us.

Of course, the Right have been subjected to disproportionate intimidation and censorship for a long time.

The internet bill is far more worrying. Yes, loons have to be silenced when they incite violence by free speech must prevail.

 

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BlueJay Flag UK 23 Jun 22 6.25pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

It is a concern, but some protesting needs to be restricted. Some of these far Leftist idiots and middle class spoilt rich kids have brought this down on all of us.

Of course, the Right have been subjected to disproportionate intimidation and censorship for a long time.

The internet bill is far more worrying. Yes, loons have to be silenced when they incite violence by free speech must prevail.

I certainly don't disagree that there can be protest that disrupts to the extent that understeps the mark. I just wonder if being that one man with placards is someone who needs a 'polite word', how likely they are to clamp down on anything and everything that goes against the government line. Thew wording of this bill is vague enough to make it very subjective, which is always a worry and likely intentional.


 

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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 25 Aug 22 4.27pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

So more than 60% of illegal migrants arriving by boat are Albanian and mostly men.

So much for the usual deluded arguments about poor war torn refugees fleeing for their lives.

Is there a worse country in Europe for criminality?

 

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View Spiderman's Profile Spiderman Flag Horsham 25 Aug 22 4.38pm Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

So more than 60% of illegal migrants arriving by boat are Albanian and mostly men.

So much for the usual deluded arguments about poor war torn refugees fleeing for their lives.

Is there a worse country in Europe for criminality?

I suspect most of the traffickers are Albanian as well. To answer your question, no there is not

 

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View Ketteridge's Profile Ketteridge Flag Brighton 25 Aug 22 6.01pm Send a Private Message to Ketteridge Add Ketteridge as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

So more than 60% of illegal migrants arriving by boat are Albanian and mostly men.

So much for the usual deluded arguments about poor war torn refugees fleeing for their lives.

Is there a worse country in Europe for criminality?

Think this has been misreported , I’m not a cynical man so I ‘ll assume it was a genuine mistake by The home office press team and SKY , I got this from SKY [Link] ‘Government officials believe around 60% of migrants making Channel crossings each day now are Albanian, although figures fluctuate’.
The terms Believe and figure fluctuate are doing a lot of work here because the Home office own figures say there is nowhere near that and the actual number between 2018 and Mar 2022 is about 3% [Link] .

There are potential issues,
1) The figure reported is boats that have been stopped and it could be far more Albanians are getting through then everyone else. It is possible but to make the 60% figure work 20 Albanians would be getting through for every Albanian stopped and the home office we need to have a 100% record of stopping everyone nation. Unlikely and if it is happening don’t send the Albanians back get them into our navy the lads are geniuses.
2) When the say ‘Government officials believe around 60% of migrants making Channel crossings each day now are Albanian’ they actually mean from Apr to now, it’s possible but again unlikely that it should have changed significantly in the last few months but we can come back when the figures are updated.
3) The most likely explanation is what they actually should say is that ‘Government officials believe around 60% of migrants who have no legitimate asylum claim making Channel crossings each day now are Albanian’ and through lazy journalism and political motivated briefing they ignore the fact
If the third point is right, and I think it is the most likely, then the tie up with Albanian is good and Home office can weed out Albanians early and speed up the process for legitimate asylum claims. However the majority of people stopped crossing the channel are legitimate asylum seekers they are from either war torn areas or oppressive regimes, Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran, Syria and Eritrea, in figure 3 if you are interested.
90% are men and 50% are under 25.

 


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View becky's Profile becky Flag over the moon 25 Aug 22 6.21pm Send a Private Message to becky Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add becky as a friend

Originally posted by Ketteridge

Think this has been misreported , I’m not a cynical man so I ‘ll assume it was a genuine mistake by The home office press team and SKY , I got this from SKY [Link] ‘Government officials believe around 60% of migrants making Channel crossings each day now are Albanian, although figures fluctuate’.
The terms Believe and figure fluctuate are doing a lot of work here because the Home office own figures say there is nowhere near that and the actual number between 2018 and Mar 2022 is about 3% [Link] .

There are potential issues,
1) The figure reported is boats that have been stopped and it could be far more Albanians are getting through then everyone else. It is possible but to make the 60% figure work 20 Albanians would be getting through for every Albanian stopped and the home office we need to have a 100% record of stopping everyone nation. Unlikely and if it is happening don’t send the Albanians back get them into our navy the lads are geniuses.
2) When the say ‘Government officials believe around 60% of migrants making Channel crossings each day now are Albanian’ they actually mean from Apr to now, it’s possible but again unlikely that it should have changed significantly in the last few months but we can come back when the figures are updated.
3) The most likely explanation is what they actually should say is that ‘Government officials believe around 60% of migrants who have no legitimate asylum claim making Channel crossings each day now are Albanian’ and through lazy journalism and political motivated briefing they ignore the fact
If the third point is right, and I think it is the most likely, then the tie up with Albanian is good and Home office can weed out Albanians early and speed up the process for legitimate asylum claims. However the majority of people stopped crossing the channel are legitimate asylum seekers they are from either war torn areas or oppressive regimes, Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran, Syria and Eritrea, in figure 3 if you are interested.
90% are men and 50% are under 25.

How can they be 'legitimate' when they are leaving a 'safe' country (having also crossed several others) where they could have/should have claimed asylum, in accordance with international rules - admittedly with far less in the way of benefits and handouts...

 


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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 25 Aug 22 6.28pm Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by Ketteridge

Think this has been misreported , I’m not a cynical man so I ‘ll assume it was a genuine mistake by The home office press team and SKY , I got this from SKY [Link] ‘Government officials believe around 60% of migrants making Channel crossings each day now are Albanian, although figures fluctuate’.
The terms Believe and figure fluctuate are doing a lot of work here because the Home office own figures say there is nowhere near that and the actual number between 2018 and Mar 2022 is about 3% [Link] .

There are potential issues,
1) The figure reported is boats that have been stopped and it could be far more Albanians are getting through then everyone else. It is possible but to make the 60% figure work 20 Albanians would be getting through for every Albanian stopped and the home office we need to have a 100% record of stopping everyone nation. Unlikely and if it is happening don’t send the Albanians back get them into our navy the lads are geniuses.
2) When the say ‘Government officials believe around 60% of migrants making Channel crossings each day now are Albanian’ they actually mean from Apr to now, it’s possible but again unlikely that it should have changed significantly in the last few months but we can come back when the figures are updated.
3) The most likely explanation is what they actually should say is that ‘Government officials believe around 60% of migrants who have no legitimate asylum claim making Channel crossings each day now are Albanian’ and through lazy journalism and political motivated briefing they ignore the fact
If the third point is right, and I think it is the most likely, then the tie up with Albanian is good and Home office can weed out Albanians early and speed up the process for legitimate asylum claims. However the majority of people stopped crossing the channel are legitimate asylum seekers they are from either war torn areas or oppressive regimes, Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran, Syria and Eritrea, in figure 3 if you are interested.
90% are men and 50% are under 25.

I don't have any facts however this is my understanding from reading the press. This year it appears that Albanian criminal gangs have realised how easy it is to cross the channel and not get deported so they have piled on and are actively recruiting from their own country.

 


One more point

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