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View Spiderman's Profile Spiderman Flag Horsham 15 Apr 22 4.05pm Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Your personal experience of the system clearly gives you a much better understanding of the difficulties we face than many on here. Tackling the people smugglers at source always seemed the answer to me, but the more I know, the harder that actually seems, as there are so many of them, using a great variety of routes.

Do you think this new scheme has any chance of success, or is, as I suspect, just a political gesture? If not, is there anything else, practically, that you think we can do?

Personally I do not think it will go ahead simply as there will be to much opposition to it. I do not think it is just a political gesture I honestly believe Priti Patel wants to tackle this problem. Not sure what else can be done, without the traffickers many would not arrive, so the obvious solution is to try to tackle the traffickers. Don’t forget traffickers are operating all over the world and it is basically organised crime, look at the Vietnamese who died a couple of years ago.
Gatwick are now beginning to see high numbers of Mexicans claiming asylum, all arrive with identical stories and identical amounts of money. This is a package they pay for from traffickers

 

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View Spiderman's Profile Spiderman Flag Horsham 15 Apr 22 4.07pm Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by Beanyboysmd

Cant really have a debate with you as we don't even agree on the basics of reality. So I will explain where I stand, because my entire philosophy is polar to yours, but I will explain it in much detail as I can...

Immigration is good

All immigration, legal and illegal? Do you believe that migrants should be vetted before being allowed in?
If not what about foreign criminals and paedos?

 

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View Spiderman's Profile Spiderman Flag Horsham 15 Apr 22 4.10pm Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by steeleye20

Johnson described Rwanda as one of the safest countries in the world and said the plan was an “innovative approach, driven by our shared humanitarian impulse”.

Really then why does the UK grant asylum to refugees fleeing from Rwanda?

'UK condemns Rwanda for human rights abuses' two months ago.


Interested to know how many Rwandans have been granted asylum, do you have a source? There is a difference between claiming asylum and being granted asylum .
There are many reasons why asylum is granted, it is not just political anymore. If you are gay and come from a country that does not embrace homosexuality, this is a reason that can be used.

Edited by Spiderman (15 Apr 2022 4.12pm)

 

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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 15 Apr 22 4.11pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Spiderman

Unfortunately it does not work as smoothly as that. Anyone arriving who claims to be Rwandan, will not be sent there until their case has been considered. TBF if one does have a genuine case for asylum, they should not be sent back to the country where their life is in danger. Those who are not Rwandan, On being returned to Rwanda, will then claim they are from elsewhere, the HO then have to obtain documentation from that Government before removing them, this process, if successful takes years.
Many years ago, nationals of Liberia were granted asylum virtually automatically. HO were inundated with other nationals ( mainly Nigerian) claiming to be Liberian. Trying to remove them back to Nigeria proved almost impossible.
As I have said many times, once someone arrives here, it is proving nearly impossible to remove them, as well as above throw in HR Act and lawyers making a fortune by lodging spurious claims.

All of these problems will evaporate when nations get serious about this problem. The whole process needs to be much more efficient and smart.
It's no good people like Wisbech telling us why things can't be
done.
We need people who can make it happen. If laws and red tape are the problem, then they have to be changed.
This issue is too serious for it to continue as it has done.

 

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View Spiderman's Profile Spiderman Flag Horsham 15 Apr 22 4.15pm Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

All of these problems will evaporate when nations get serious about this problem. The whole process needs to be much more efficient and smart.
It's no good people like Wisbech telling us why things can't be
done.
We need people who can make it happen. If laws and red tape are the problem, then they have to be changed.
This issue is too serious for it to continue as it has done.

Indeed, it needs to be tackled globally but unfortunately trafficking is a multi million pound business and I suspect many governments turn a blind eye to it in exchange for brown envelopes.

 

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View Matov's Profile Matov Flag 15 Apr 22 4.19pm Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

All of these problems will evaporate when nations get serious about this problem.


But the 'nations' allow it. That is the point. If they wanted to stop it, they would. Instead they don't. They encourage it. Look back to the removal of Gaddafi. That opened up Europe to mass migration from Africa. And for what? A deliberate, NATO led, action that caused nothing other than mayhem and chaos. Deliberately causing instability and encouraging people smugglers, of every kind to act. Followed by Syria and numerous other conflicts, all of which have been deliberately orchastrated by both Western and Israeli interference.

This current proposal is all froth. The institutions in the UK simply will not do what their political masters tell them to do anyway and every obstacle will be put in the way, giving the Tories an excuse to hold their hands up and say that at least we tried.

What we have witnessed since 2011 has been deliberate and top-led. None of this is accidental.

Edited by Matov (15 Apr 2022 4.20pm)

 


"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

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Originally posted by Matov


But the 'nations' allow it. That is the point. If they wanted to stop it, they would. Instead they don't. They encourage it. Look back to the removal of Gaddafi. That opened up Europe to mass migration from Africa. And for what? A deliberate, NATO led, action that caused nothing other than mayhem and chaos. Deliberately causing instability and encouraging people smugglers, of every kind to act. Followed by Syria and numerous other conflicts, all of which have been deliberately orchastrated by both Western and Israeli interference.

This current proposal is all froth. The institutions in the UK simply will not do what their political masters tell them to do anyway and every obstacle will be put in the way, giving the Tories an excuse to hold their hands up and say that at least we tried.

What we have witnessed since 2011 has been deliberate and top-led. None of this is accidental.

Edited by Matov (15 Apr 2022 4.20pm)


There might well be a lot of truth in that.

One can only conclude that those at the top of the pyramid are happy to destroy nation states and dilute the European races out of existence.
I suspect that those symptoms are just collateral in pursuit of wealth and power.

 

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View steeleye20's Profile steeleye20 Flag Croydon 15 Apr 22 4.35pm Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

UK condemning Rwanda July 2021:-

A statement by the UK’s international ambassador for human rights Rita French in July 2021 expressed “regret” that Rwanda was not conducting “transparent, credible and independent investigations into allegations of human rights violations including deaths in custody and torture”.

She added: “We were disappointed that Rwanda did not support the UK recommendation to screen, identify and provide support to trafficking victims, including those held in government transit centres.”

Number from Rwanda:-

UK to send asylum seekers to Rwanda despite granting the past decade, with 69 given asylum or humanitarian protection between 2011 and 2021.

 

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View steeleye20's Profile steeleye20 Flag Croydon 15 Apr 22 4.43pm Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

Rwanda looks a cool smart place.

But I wouldn't want to disagree with anyone in a bar.

Happy Easter.

 

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View ASCPFC's Profile ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 15 Apr 22 4.49pm Send a Private Message to ASCPFC Add ASCPFC as a friend

Is the scheme open to everyone?

 


Red and Blue Army!

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View Spiderman's Profile Spiderman Flag Horsham 15 Apr 22 5.04pm Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by steeleye20

UK condemning Rwanda July 2021:-

A statement by the UK’s international ambassador for human rights Rita French in July 2021 expressed “regret” that Rwanda was not conducting “transparent, credible and independent investigations into allegations of human rights violations including deaths in custody and torture”.

She added: “We were disappointed that Rwanda did not support the UK recommendation to screen, identify and provide support to trafficking victims, including those held in government transit centres.”

Number from Rwanda:-

UK to send asylum seekers to Rwanda despite granting the past decade, with 69 given asylum or humanitarian protection between 2011 and 2021.

69 in 10 years! Not that much of a problem then. As previously stated were they actually Rwandans or masquerading as Rwandans? Bet your source hasn’t thought about that.
As an aside there have been more than 69 Mexicans claiming asylum in the last week, still a popular holiday destination though

Edited by Spiderman (15 Apr 2022 5.06pm)

 

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View steeleye20's Profile steeleye20 Flag Croydon 15 Apr 22 5.14pm Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

Originally posted by Spiderman

69 in 10 years! Not that much of a problem then. As previously stated were they actually Rwandans or masquerading as Rwandans? Bet your source hasn’t thought about that.
As an aside there have been more than 69 Mexicans claiming asylum in the last week, still a popular holiday destination though

Edited by Spiderman (15 Apr 2022 5.06pm)

'See you in court' as they say.

 

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