Beer after?

Then you are going to have to convince enough people to agree with your views, and be prepared to defend what the consequences of them would be, because they would all be exposed.

These are problems we cannot solve on our own, and anything we are able to do will never satisfy someone whose approach is as extreme as yours. You are destined to stay angry and frustrated until you come to terms with the fact that we now live in a changed and changing world. One in which movements of people are going to be a constant, which will be exacerbated by the effects of climate change. We either adapt to that fact, and manage it effectively, or we waste time and energy trying to fight it.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

As expected there are basically three types of opinion on this topic

1) Something needs to be tried to deter the people smuggling trade

2) The UK should allow everyone who wants to move to the UK, in other words open borders

3) A few who simply opine nonsense depending how the wind is blowing.

To many it wouldn't matter where the offshore processing took place as they believe in open borders and unlimited migration into the UK.

The question that can never be answered is that if someone is coming from France they are voluntarily leaving a safe country.

This will continue to be a polarising issue with no solution acceptable to the majority

Edited by HKOwen (16 Apr 2022 5.17am)

Edited by HKOwen (16 Apr 2022 5.18am)

Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

Possibily. But since there is no logical explanation for what happened in Libya, I can only actually assume that the chaos and mayhem was created deliberately.

Why destroy a stable country, with whom the West had started to enjoy good relations? For what purpose? Especially given that you had nothing to replace it?

All the past focus is on Iraq. And with good reason. But for my Libya has been far more instrumental in shaping much of what Europe faces today. Regime change in both Libya, and then later on the attempt to do similar in Syria, only makes sense if you accept that the desired outcome WAS chaos and mayhem.

Occam's razor and all that.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

Reckon it might be a leeeetle bit illegal

[Link]
"Plans to send some asylum seekers from the UK to Rwanda are a breach of international law, the UN's refugee agency has said." (BBC)

Breaking the law ? who would even think such a thing ?

"The facts have changed", Rishi Sunak