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Hrolf The Ganger 16 Apr 22 9.39am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Then you are going to have to convince enough people to agree with your views, and be prepared to defend what the consequences of them would be, because they would all be exposed. These are problems we cannot solve on our own, and anything we are able to do will never satisfy someone whose approach is as extreme as yours. You are destined to stay angry and frustrated until you come to terms with the fact that we now live in a changed and changing world. One in which movements of people are going to be a constant, which will be exacerbated by the effects of climate change. We either adapt to that fact, and manage it effectively, or we waste time and energy trying to fight it. You need to think about the consequences if we carry on as we are. Britain can lead the way in finding a practical, workable solution to this problem. If it can be made to work, then others will follow.
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Then you are going to have to convince enough people to agree with your views, and be prepared to defend what the consequences of them would be, because they would all be exposed.

These are problems we cannot solve on our own, and anything we are able to do will never satisfy someone whose approach is as extreme as yours. You are destined to stay angry and frustrated until you come to terms with the fact that we now live in a changed and changing world. One in which movements of people are going to be a constant, which will be exacerbated by the effects of climate change. We either adapt to that fact, and manage it effectively, or we waste time and energy trying to fight it.

You need to think about the consequences if we carry on as we are.
Britain can lead the way in finding a practical, workable solution to this problem. If it can be made to work, then others will follow.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 16 Apr 22 9.46am
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger You need to think about the consequences if we carry on as we are. Britain can lead the way in finding a practical, workable solution to this problem. If it can be made to work, then others will follow. There may well be, but it won't be one that satisfies you because what you see as the "problem", others don't. There is a problem with illegal, unmanaged immigration via the activities of criminal gangs. Getting control of that is hard enough. Achieving what you seem to want is neither practical nor, ultimately, either necessary or desirable. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 16 Apr 22 9.46am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

You need to think about the consequences if we carry on as we are.
Britain can lead the way in finding a practical, workable solution to this problem. If it can be made to work, then others will follow.

There may well be, but it won't be one that satisfies you because what you see as the "problem", others don't.

There is a problem with illegal, unmanaged immigration via the activities of criminal gangs. Getting control of that is hard enough. Achieving what you seem to want is neither practical nor, ultimately, either necessary or desirable.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Hrolf The Ganger 16 Apr 22 9.51am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle There may well be, but it won't be one that satisfies you because what you see as the "problem", others don't. There is a problem with illegal, unmanaged immigration via the activities of criminal gangs. Getting control of that is hard enough. Achieving what you seem to want is neither practical nor, ultimately, either necessary or desirable. What I want is to protect the security, safety and resources of the people of Britain. The quality of life depends on these factors. You seem to think that we can continue to invite more and more people to well, and it will all be OK. It won't. You only have to look at what is happening right now to see where this is going. Housing, crime, health, the cost of living. It's all going south Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (16 Apr 2022 9.52am)
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16 Apr 22 9.51am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

There may well be, but it won't be one that satisfies you because what you see as the "problem", others don't.

What I want is to protect the security, safety and resources of the people of Britain.
The quality of life depends on these factors. You seem to think that we can continue to invite more and more people to well, and it will all be OK.

It won't.

You only have to look at what is happening right now to see where this is going.

Housing, crime, health, the cost of living. It's all going south

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (16 Apr 2022 9.52am)

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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 16 Apr 22 10.15am
Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly Reckon it might be a leeeetle bit illegal [Link] "Plans to send some asylum seekers from the UK to Rwanda are a breach of international law, the UN's refugee agency has said." (BBC) Breaking the law ? who would even think such a thing ? Luckily, our legal advisor (BJ) thinks it would be legally fully compliant. "Boris Johnson has said he believes the scheme complies with international law.", say the man recently fined for Covid rule-breaking "The facts have changed", Rishi Sunak
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Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

Reckon it might be a leeeetle bit illegal

[Link]
"Plans to send some asylum seekers from the UK to Rwanda are a breach of international law, the UN's refugee agency has said." (BBC)

Breaking the law ? who would even think such a thing ?

Luckily, our legal advisor (BJ) thinks it would be legally fully compliant.

"Boris Johnson has said he believes the scheme complies with international law.", say the man recently fined for Covid rule-breaking

"The facts have changed", Rishi Sunak

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Mapletree Croydon 16 Apr 22 10.21am
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger What I want is to protect the security, safety and resources of the people of Britain. The quality of life depends on these factors. You seem to think that we can continue to invite more and more people to well, and it will all be OK. It won't. You only have to look at what is happening right now to see where this is going. Housing, crime, health, the cost of living. It's all going south Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (16 Apr 2022 9.52am) All to do with immigration Nothing to do with austerity measures introduced in 2008 onwards. Nor the banking crisis, covid, Brexit, climate change or international political uncertainty
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Croydon 16 Apr 22 10.21am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

It won't.

You only have to look at what is happening right now to see where this is going.

Housing, crime, health, the cost of living. It's all going south

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (16 Apr 2022 9.52am)

All to do with immigration

Nothing to do with austerity measures introduced in 2008 onwards. Nor the banking crisis, covid, Brexit, climate change or international political uncertainty

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 16 Apr 22 10.25am
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger What I want is to protect the security, safety and resources of the people of Britain. The quality of life depends on these factors. You seem to think that we can continue to invite more and more people to well, and it will all be OK. It won't. You only have to look at what is happening right now to see where this is going. Housing, crime, health, the cost of living. It's all going south Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (16 Apr 2022 9.52am) You offer conclusive proof that nothing that is even remotely possible will ever satisfy you. Not only that, you blame everything you don't like on "immigration". You are like an old 45 record stuck on a song from the 60s. The attitudes you display are identical to those I heard as a young man from the older generation back then. The world has changed, whether you like it, or can accept it, you really must come to terms with that. It's not going to reverse direction. The UK might have detached itself from the EU, but it cannot detach itself from the world. If you find the environment of where you live no longer suits you, then change where you live. The answer to your personal circumstances lies in your own hands, but you don't have the responsibility for, or power over, anything else. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 16 Apr 22 10.25am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

It won't.

You only have to look at what is happening right now to see where this is going.

Housing, crime, health, the cost of living. It's all going south

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (16 Apr 2022 9.52am)

You offer conclusive proof that nothing that is even remotely possible will ever satisfy you. Not only that, you blame everything you don't like on "immigration".

You are like an old 45 record stuck on a song from the 60s. The attitudes you display are identical to those I heard as a young man from the older generation back then.

The world has changed, whether you like it, or can accept it, you really must come to terms with that. It's not going to reverse direction. The UK might have detached itself from the EU, but it cannot detach itself from the world.

If you find the environment of where you live no longer suits you, then change where you live. The answer to your personal circumstances lies in your own hands, but you don't have the responsibility for, or power over, anything else.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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kevlee born Wandsworth emigrated to Lanc... 16 Apr 22 11.01am
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger You mean people who think like you. I'd say the majority will see this as a positive attempt to deter traffickers and illegals. Yes I am a 'normal' voter. You will never admit it, because you don't see it, but the views you express are outside the mainstream. Its you right to have them and express them, but you blame everything on migrants. Priti Patel like BJ is a populist and you are their target audience. Following Palace since 25 Feb 1978
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born Wandsworth emigrated to Lanc... 16 Apr 22 11.01am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

You mean people who think like you.

I'd say the majority will see this as a positive attempt to deter traffickers and illegals.

Yes I am a 'normal' voter. You will never admit it, because you don't see it, but the views you express are outside the mainstream. Its you right to have them and express them, but you blame everything on migrants. Priti Patel like BJ is a populist and you are their target audience.

Following Palace since 25 Feb 1978

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Badger11 Beckenham 16 Apr 22 11.03am
Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly Reckon it might be a leeeetle bit illegal [Link] "Plans to send some asylum seekers from the UK to Rwanda are a breach of international law, the UN's refugee agency has said." (BBC) Breaking the law ? who would even think such a thing ? The UN is not impartial it is a political forum used by many countries to brow beat the west. Take a look at which countries sit on the Human Right council, a joke. I am not convinced that this is a good plan but neither do I pay attention to the UN and their claims of international law. We are governed in this country by our laws and whatever international treaties we have signed. We can withdraw from those treaties if we choose as for "international law" it is a gray area not properly defined or even signed up to Human Rights lawyers are always trying to extend it. One more point
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Beckenham 16 Apr 22 11.03am

Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

Reckon it might be a leeeetle bit illegal

[Link]
"Plans to send some asylum seekers from the UK to Rwanda are a breach of international law, the UN's refugee agency has said." (BBC)

Breaking the law ? who would even think such a thing ?

The UN is not impartial it is a political forum used by many countries to brow beat the west. Take a look at which countries sit on the Human Right council, a joke.

I am not convinced that this is a good plan but neither do I pay attention to the UN and their claims of international law. We are governed in this country by our laws and whatever international treaties we have signed. We can withdraw from those treaties if we choose as for "international law" it is a gray area not properly defined or even signed up to Human Rights lawyers are always trying to extend it.

One more point

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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 16 Apr 22 11.28am
Does anyone have any idea why Rwanda would need more people? Red and Blue Army!
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Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 16 Apr 22 11.28am

Does anyone have any idea why Rwanda would need more people?

Red and Blue Army!

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 16 Apr 22 11.41am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle You offer conclusive proof that nothing that is even remotely possible will ever satisfy you. Not only that, you blame everything you don't like on "immigration". You are like an old 45 record stuck on a song from the 60s. The attitudes you display are identical to those I heard as a young man from the older generation back then. The world has changed, whether you like it, or can accept it, you really must come to terms with that. It's not going to reverse direction. The UK might have detached itself from the EU, but it cannot detach itself from the world. If you find the environment of where you live no longer suits you, then change where you live. The answer to your personal circumstances lies in your own hands, but you don't have the responsibility for, or power over, anything else. Move to a CR0 postcode and let us know your opinion then COYP
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Caterham 16 Apr 22 11.41am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

You offer conclusive proof that nothing that is even remotely possible will ever satisfy you. Not only that, you blame everything you don't like on "immigration".

You are like an old 45 record stuck on a song from the 60s. The attitudes you display are identical to those I heard as a young man from the older generation back then.

Move to a CR0 postcode and let us know your opinion then

COYP

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 16 Apr 22 11.42am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle You offer conclusive proof that nothing that is even remotely possible will ever satisfy you. Not only that, you blame everything you don't like on "immigration". You are like an old 45 record stuck on a song from the 60s. The attitudes you display are identical to those I heard as a young man from the older generation back then. The world has changed, whether you like it, or can accept it, you really must come to terms with that. It's not going to reverse direction. The UK might have detached itself from the EU, but it cannot detach itself from the world. If you find the environment of where you live no longer suits you, then change where you live. The answer to your personal circumstances lies in your own hands, but you don't have the responsibility for, or power over, anything else. The cause or cure. Take your pick COYP
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Caterham 16 Apr 22 11.42am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

You offer conclusive proof that nothing that is even remotely possible will ever satisfy you. Not only that, you blame everything you don't like on "immigration".

You are like an old 45 record stuck on a song from the 60s. The attitudes you display are identical to those I heard as a young man from the older generation back then.

If you find the environment of where you live no longer suits you, then change where you live. The answer to your personal circumstances lies in your own hands, but you don't have the responsibility for, or power over, anything else.

The cause or cure. Take your pick

COYP

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 16 Apr 22 11.55am
Originally posted by kevlee Yes I am a 'normal' voter. You will never admit it, because you don't see it, but the views you express are outside the mainstream. Its you right to have them and express them, but you blame everything on migrants. Priti Patel like BJ is a populist and you are their target audience. Dear oh dear. Make your mind up. I dare say there are people in big cities who are okay with this either for now until they are the minority, or maybe forever, come what may. There are then those who’ve moved out or have always lived away from densely populated areas and want to remain the majority, and then a few of your Wisbech types who are so far removed from it with their ideology they’ll never experience any of the negatives. There are positives, but we’ve gone in so heavy the negatives are outweighing the positives. It won’t matter once we’re dead or dying because the younger generations will believe (been influenced by liberal brainwashing in schools) that everything is great. If that were true I’d agree. When they’re in shorts it won’t matter to them the problems they’ll experience achieving a fraction of their grandparents. Well it won’t to the more fortunate. Privileged they call it now. Privileged to not have to share with a teenage sibling of the opposite sex with every house split up will be our destination. COYP
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Rudi Hedman

Caterham 16 Apr 22 11.55am

Originally posted by kevlee

Yes I am a 'normal' voter. You will never admit it, because you don't see it, but the views you express are outside the mainstream. Its you right to have them and express them, but you blame everything on migrants. Priti Patel like BJ is a populist and you are their target audience.

Dear oh dear. Make your mind up.

I dare say there are people in big cities who are okay with this either for now until they are the minority, or maybe forever, come what may. There are then those who’ve moved out or have always lived away from densely populated areas and want to remain the majority, and then a few of your Wisbech types who are so far removed from it with their ideology they’ll never experience any of the negatives. There are positives, but we’ve gone in so heavy the negatives are outweighing the positives.

It won’t matter once we’re dead or dying because the younger generations will believe (been influenced by liberal brainwashing in schools) that everything is great. If that were true I’d agree. When they’re in shorts it won’t matter to them the problems they’ll experience achieving a fraction of their grandparents. Well it won’t to the more fortunate. Privileged they call it now. Privileged to not have to share with a teenage sibling of the opposite sex with every house split up will be our destination.

COYP

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