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Originally posted by sydtheeagle

With respect, there's far too much revisionist history here and elsewhere in this thread (for instance, the criticising of Lampard for his comments about fans celebrating on the pitch. He was quite right). The problem is not that Everton fans invaded the pitch; it's society. It's the way the fan who confronted Vieira behaved, not that he was on the pitch that's the issue and that has nothing to do with football at all.

I, like at least a few others here, had one of the greatest nights of my life on a First Division footbal pitch after an invasion. Yep, I was on it after Swindly scored against Burnley, and I was back on it, celebrating wildly when the final whistle blew. I spent the last 15 minutes of the game more or less standing beside Budgie's goal post as the police couldn't get us all back onto the Holmesdale.

Lampard is absolutely right; why shouldn't fans be able to express their joy? No one attacked the Burnley manager (or players) that night. No one felt the need to.

The problem isn't football. It's forty years of Conservative rule (an inter-regnum by faux-Tory Tony Blair notwithstanding) that has created a malignant, resentful, haves and have-nots society that, predictably, manifests itself in anger and aggression. Dispossess enough people for long enough that you create a disadvantaged underclass and then act surprised when society turns violent? Well I never. The supporter who provoked Vieira is of his time, not of football itself. If you want to solve the problem, look at the inequalities in society, not at the game.

Every Palace supporter who was there that magical night in 1979 knows full well what Everton supporters experienced last Thursday and has no problem with their behaviour at all (in general). Pretending Everton is the issue is kidding yourself. If you want to blame someone for what happened at Goodison, a good starting point would be Margaret Thatcher.

All very worthy, but the facts remain the same. Everton made Vieira and staff walk through the frenzied crowd, after refusing the nearest exit to Covid restrictions, which had been lifted elsewhere in the Country months ago. They allowed their fans to bring in flares to the ground, which is a nasty continental trend creeping in over here.
How you can blame a dead Prime Minister for Thursday night, is beyond absurd. Its always somebody else's, nobody accepts responsibility.

 

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Originally posted by sydtheeagle

With respect, there's far too much revisionist history here and elsewhere in this thread (for instance, the criticising of Lampard for his comments about fans celebrating on the pitch. He was quite right). The problem is not that Everton fans invaded the pitch; it's society. It's the way the fan who confronted Vieira behaved, not that he was on the pitch that's the issue and that has nothing to do with football at all.

I, like at least a few others here, had one of the greatest nights of my life on a First Division footbal pitch after an invasion. Yep, I was on it after Swindly scored against Burnley, and I was back on it, celebrating wildly when the final whistle blew. I spent the last 15 minutes of the game more or less standing beside Budgie's goal post as the police couldn't get us all back onto the Holmesdale.

Lampard is absolutely right; why shouldn't fans be able to express their joy? No one attacked the Burnley manager (or players) that night. No one felt the need to.

The problem isn't football. It's forty years of Conservative rule (an inter-regnum by faux-Tory Tony Blair notwithstanding) that has created a malignant, resentful, haves and have-nots society that, predictably, manifests itself in anger and aggression. Dispossess enough people for long enough that you create a disadvantaged underclass and then act surprised when society turns violent? Well I never. The supporter who provoked Vieira is of his time, not of football itself. If you want to solve the problem, look at the inequalities in society, not at the game.

Every Palace supporter who was there that magical night in 1979 knows full well what Everton supporters experienced last Thursday and has no problem with their behaviour at all (in general). Pretending Everton is the issue is kidding yourself. If you want to blame someone for what happened at Goodison, a good starting point would be Margaret Thatcher.

Gosh bit heavy for a Sunday morning. The (lack of) stewarding, policing & late booze-fueled kick-off didn’t help either. I can remember far more confrontational, ugly, violent football crowds in the 70s, well before Thatcher.

 

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Possibly he would be a "have" rather than a "have not" to be able to afford a night out at a premier league game. Or even he could be a season ticket holder so life is not treating him too badly to excuse that behaviour.

 

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Originally posted by sydtheeagle

With respect, there's far too much revisionist history here and elsewhere in this thread (for instance, the criticising of Lampard for his comments about fans celebrating on the pitch. He was quite right). The problem is not that Everton fans invaded the pitch; it's society. It's the way the fan who confronted Vieira behaved, not that he was on the pitch that's the issue and that has nothing to do with football at all.

I, like at least a few others here, had one of the greatest nights of my life on a First Division footbal pitch after an invasion. Yep, I was on it after Swindly scored against Burnley, and I was back on it, celebrating wildly when the final whistle blew. I spent the last 15 minutes of the game more or less standing beside Budgie's goal post as the police couldn't get us all back onto the Holmesdale.

Lampard is absolutely right; why shouldn't fans be able to express their joy? No one attacked the Burnley manager (or players) that night. No one felt the need to.

The problem isn't football. It's forty years of Conservative rule (an inter-regnum by faux-Tory Tony Blair notwithstanding) that has created a malignant, resentful, haves and have-nots society that, predictably, manifests itself in anger and aggression. Dispossess enough people for long enough that you create a disadvantaged underclass and then act surprised when society turns violent? Well I never. The supporter who provoked Vieira is of his time, not of football itself. If you want to solve the problem, look at the inequalities in society, not at the game.

Every Palace supporter who was there that magical night in 1979 knows full well what Everton supporters experienced last Thursday and has no problem with their behaviour at all (in general). Pretending Everton is the issue is kidding yourself. If you want to blame someone for what happened at Goodison, a good starting point would be Margaret Thatcher.

I too was on the pitch in 1979 and after the Fulham game in 1969? Yes there have been other pitch invasions involving Palace fans , but hand on heart I have never seen a Palace fan attack an opposition manager or player.
IMO it is too easy to make excuses for the
Everton “fans” by blaming it on society and to blame the Tories is somewhat bizarre. Society and the Tories cannot be used as an excuse for Everton/Police not affording Palace protection. As for Anthony Taylor, I would like to know why he felt it was ok to leave the players on the pitch

Edited by Spiderman (22 May 2022 11.06am)

 

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Originally posted by sydtheeagle

With respect, there's far too much revisionist history here and elsewhere in this thread (for instance, the criticising of Lampard for his comments about fans celebrating on the pitch. He was quite right). The problem is not that Everton fans invaded the pitch; it's society. It's the way the fan who confronted Vieira behaved, not that he was on the pitch that's the issue and that has nothing to do with football at all.

I, like at least a few others here, had one of the greatest nights of my life on a First Division footbal pitch after an invasion. Yep, I was on it after Swindly scored against Burnley, and I was back on it, celebrating wildly when the final whistle blew. I spent the last 15 minutes of the game more or less standing beside Budgie's goal post as the police couldn't get us all back onto the Holmesdale.

Lampard is absolutely right; why shouldn't fans be able to express their joy? No one attacked the Burnley manager (or players) that night. No one felt the need to.

The problem isn't football. It's forty years of Conservative rule (an inter-regnum by faux-Tory Tony Blair notwithstanding) that has created a malignant, resentful, haves and have-nots society that, predictably, manifests itself in anger and aggression. Dispossess enough people for long enough that you create a disadvantaged underclass and then act surprised when society turns violent? Well I never. The supporter who provoked Vieira is of his time, not of football itself. If you want to solve the problem, look at the inequalities in society, not at the game.

Every Palace supporter who was there that magical night in 1979 knows full well what Everton supporters experienced last Thursday and has no problem with their behaviour at all (in general). Pretending Everton is the issue is kidding yourself. If you want to blame someone for what happened at Goodison, a good starting point would be Margaret Thatcher.

Stop being ridiculous.

 


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Originally posted by sydtheeagle

Doesn't that suggest that some sort of legal or other formal action may be in the offing? You usually scream and shout when there's no other way of making yourself heard. You stay quiet when you know there's a formal procedure about to kick in.

Big dogs don’t bark..!!!

COYP

 

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Originally posted by YT

Stop being ridiculous.


I agree.
Lack of personal restraint can’t be blamed upon politics.

 

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Originally posted by YT

Stop being ridiculous.

I have to say, I don't mind a bit of socio-economic banter about present day society but to attach 4O years of Tory rule to the actions of those demented Murkeysiders who accosted our players and manager is comic heaven.

 

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Originally posted by Slimey Toad

I have to say, I don't mind a bit of socio-economic banter about present day society but to attach 4O years of Tory rule to the actions of those demented Murkeysiders who accosted our players and manager is comic heaven.

To be more specific, this lad hatched the plan to goad Viera when Norman Tebbit said "get on your bike and get a job". Bloody Tories.

 


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Silly me - I should have known - it is the fault of conservative governments that made the idiot do it - why didn't I think of that!
Ridiculous comment Syd - sorry.
No need to get political here - there is another area for that.


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Originally posted by sydtheeagle

With respect, there's far too much revisionist history here and elsewhere in this thread (for instance, the criticising of Lampard for his comments about fans celebrating on the pitch. He was quite right). The problem is not that Everton fans invaded the pitch; it's society. It's the way the fan who confronted Vieira behaved, not that he was on the pitch that's the issue and that has nothing to do with football at all.

I, like at least a few others here, had one of the greatest nights of my life on a First Division footbal pitch after an invasion. Yep, I was on it after Swindly scored against Burnley, and I was back on it, celebrating wildly when the final whistle blew. I spent the last 15 minutes of the game more or less standing beside Budgie's goal post as the police couldn't get us all back onto the Holmesdale.

Lampard is absolutely right; why shouldn't fans be able to express their joy? No one attacked the Burnley manager (or players) that night. No one felt the need to.

The problem isn't football. It's forty years of Conservative rule (an inter-regnum by faux-Tory Tony Blair notwithstanding) that has created a malignant, resentful, haves and have-nots society that, predictably, manifests itself in anger and aggression. Dispossess enough people for long enough that you create a disadvantaged underclass and then act surprised when society turns violent? Well I never. The supporter who provoked Vieira is of his time, not of football itself. If you want to solve the problem, look at the inequalities in society, not at the game.

Every Palace supporter who was there that magical night in 1979 knows full well what Everton supporters experienced last Thursday and has no problem with their behaviour at all (in general). Pretending Everton is the issue is kidding yourself. If you want to blame someone for what happened at Goodison, a good starting point would be Margaret Thatcher.

I turned the toaster up too high this morning and burnt my toast. Bl00dy Thatcher is to blame. And for any recent speeding fines and parking tickets. Bl33ding Tories.

There was some old Everton bald tw&t wobbling up Holmesdale road shouting about everyone there was a Tory. If he read the BBS he might have a rethink and consider himself much further to the right than some of them.

 


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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

I turned the toaster up too high this morning and burnt my toast. Bl00dy Thatcher is to blame. And for any recent speeding fines and parking tickets. Bl33ding Tories.

There was some old Everton bald tw&t wobbling up Holmesdale road shouting about everyone there was a Tory. If he read the BBS he might have a rethink and consider himself much further to the right than some of them.

sorry you cant say bald thats sexist

 

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