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 cryrst  The garden of England 18 Jul 22 1.01pm |
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Originally posted by stayloa
In short, yes... It's not about believing your opinion or my opinion - it's about believing the work of thousands of experts in climate science analysing data over the course of decades. Mike on Facebook who says he doesn't believe it all because of '76 and because he likes sitting in the garden with a Stella and his shirt off doesn't compete. I'd be happy to reconsider my views if I was presented with scientific evidence, but a failure to "believe" it will be catastrophic for our kids and grandkids. Don't get me wrong, I'm going to pop in the garden now on my lunch break and enjoy the sun but it's a truly worrying time... Granted but they are generally offsetting results with the worst possible outcomes; not even using present emissions. If they gave there research with the best possible outcomes with present emissions I could go with it. This is what so called deniers are saying. Not that there may not be issues but at least give a fair set of results from best to worst. It’s all worst case not worst case ‘guaranteed’.
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PalazioVecchio  south pole 18 Jul 22 1.06pm |
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i do recall nutters telling us the World would be flooded by 2001. shame there is so little accountability for erroneous predictions
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| cryrst The garden of England 18 Jul 22 1.11pm |
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Originally posted by PalazioVecchio
i do recall nutters telling us the World would be flooded by 2001. shame there is so little accountability for erroneous predictions Tbh clacton might benefit, they all need a bath down there
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| Pierre Purley 18 Jul 22 1.17pm |
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my son lives in a 'Social housing' ground floor flat in Thornton Heath built in the 80's. I bet there are hundreds of thousands of modern flats and apartments that have been built exactly like this over the last 40-50 years, with swathes of glass affording lovely views etc but all causing the sun to heat them beyond a bearable temperature in the summer! My son has to escape to our house when the weather is extreme as it just gets far to too hot with the sun beating down and there is a total lack of air running through the property.
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ASCPFC  Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 18 Jul 22 1.22pm |
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Originally posted by PalazioVecchio
i do recall nutters telling us the World would be flooded by 2001. shame there is so little accountability for erroneous predictions The end of the world has always been nigh. Whatever nigh means.
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| PalazioVecchio south pole 18 Jul 22 1.28pm |
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Originally posted by ASCPFC
The end of the world has always been nigh. Whatever nigh means. it meant Ian Paisley saying 'Now'
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| ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 18 Jul 22 1.30pm |
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Originally posted by PalazioVecchio
it meant Ian Paisley saying 'Now'
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SW19 CPFC  Addiscombe West 18 Jul 22 1.32pm |
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Originally posted by cryrst
Granted but they are generally offsetting results with the worst possible outcomes; not even using present emissions. If they gave there research with the best possible outcomes with present emissions I could go with it. This is what so called deniers are saying. Not that there may not be issues but at least give a fair set of results from best to worst. It’s all worst case not worst case ‘guaranteed’. A la COVID, the worst end of the ranges presented always get over reported... more sensation, more eyeballs. What you then don't read about so often is the mid range consensus which is much more realistic. Ultimately whatever you 'believe' the point is this – it would be far better for everyone concerned if we didn't use fossil fuels. For so many many reasons. How we transition away from them, and how fast is the debate, not if we should. Build more nuclear, ramp up renewables (commercial and personal) and sack off unnecessary and frivolous use of single use plastics. That would be a good start.
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| cryrst The garden of England 18 Jul 22 1.47pm |
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Originally posted by Pierre
my son lives in a 'Social housing' ground floor flat in Thornton Heath built in the 80's. I bet there are hundreds of thousands of modern flats and apartments that have been built exactly like this over the last 40-50 years, with swathes of glass affording lovely views etc but all causing the sun to heat them beyond a bearable temperature in the summer! My son has to escape to our house when the weather is extreme as it just gets far to too hot with the sun beating down and there is a total lack of air running through the property. Energy efficiency unfortunately. These places are sealed up like a space ship. As a gas engineer I am allowed a certain amount of free ventilation called adventitious ventilation for certain appliances. Nowadays I just give the amount it requires according to the KW. There is nothing adventitious in properties now. They have to prevent air leakage purely because physics states ‘heat will always go to cold’ hence in the winter when it’s 5 outside they don’t want heat being wasted by cracks around windows and vents in walls. No good for condensation but hey ho it is what it is.
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Forest Hillbilly  in a hidey-hole 18 Jul 22 1.48pm |
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Originally posted by Pierre
my son lives in a 'Social housing' ground floor flat in Thornton Heath built in the 80's. I bet there are hundreds of thousands of modern flats and apartments that have been built exactly like this over the last 40-50 years, with swathes of glass affording lovely views etc but all causing the sun to heat them beyond a bearable temperature in the summer! My son has to escape to our house when the weather is extreme as it just gets far to too hot with the sun beating down and there is a total lack of air running through the property. Putting too much thought into design costs money. That's it in a nutshell. As long as the building is standing after 5yrs, job done. Architect and developer are probably long-retired by now on their earnings
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| cryrst The garden of England 18 Jul 22 1.51pm |
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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC
A la COVID, the worst end of the ranges presented always get over reported... more sensation, more eyeballs. What you then don't read about so often is the mid range consensus which is much more realistic. Ultimately whatever you 'believe' the point is this – it would be far better for everyone concerned if we didn't use fossil fuels. For so many many reasons. How we transition away from them, and how fast is the debate, not if we should. Build more nuclear, ramp up renewables (commercial and personal) and sack off unnecessary and frivolous use of single use plastics. That would be a good start. Agreed it would do no harm to start the processes but it appears that we have to pay a lot more for the privilege from the same amount we have as before. If it were so serious and so urgent it would all be free and done already. This is my cynicism of the whole green thing. Anyhow CO2 isn’t the only gas affecting the planet, if it is that is. Don’t want posters picking it apart
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monkey  Sittingbourne,Kent 18 Jul 22 1.53pm |
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We had quite a long hot summer in 1989. I remember it well because I was laid up in a small South Norwood flat with my leg in plaster and suffered with the heat a bit. We only had one main window to open and a small kitchen one and it was hell.
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