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View Nicholas91's Profile Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 17 Aug 22 10.05am Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

Originally posted by HKOwen

I know of a case where the son of someone I knew in Hong Kong was jailed for an attack on the rugby field in the UK. Many cases in UK of rugby players jailed for attacks on opponents

Interesting!

Honestly never heard of any! Was that professional HKO or Amateur?

 


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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 17 Aug 22 10.14am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Did anyone else notice what provoked Anderson into pushing him?

I thought Nunez had tried to headbutt him in the previous tussle, but missed, and this angered Anderson.

If I am right, then I suspect his suspension may be quite a long one as it wasn't simply a reaction to a push, but part of a pattern.

 


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View Nicholas91's Profile Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 17 Aug 22 10.22am Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Did anyone else notice what provoked Anderson into pushing him?

I thought Nunez had tried to headbutt him in the previous tussle, but missed, and this angered Anderson.

If I am right, then I suspect his suspension may be quite a long one as it wasn't simply a reaction to a push, but part of a pattern.

Yep, think that has been well documented WE.

I suspect Andersen was doing nothing out of the ordinary by giving Nunez a tough time and using a bit of physicality and that Nunez's first attempts of sticking his head in Andersen's face was the initial reaction which provoked Andersen to (rightly) remonstrate somewhat and shove Nunez's outstretched arm which in turn led to 'the' headbutt.

Again, as has been mentioned by many, I am sure this has not gone unnoted by many a PL defender as an expose of Nunez's fragility and inability to handle a bit of 'rough-housing' and his 'red card' mishandling of the situation.

 


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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Flag 17 Aug 22 10.24am Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Nicholas91

Agree.

There have been numerous punches thrown in Rubgy etc. and I am wondering if they have ever been investigated by law enforcement? Not to my knowledge?

Equally, very easy for me to say this, but if a player nutted me like that on the pitch I'd reserve all right to try and break is jaw and argue my case that it was 'self defence' and merits if not the same punishment as said player then less.

It's a tricky area. If a fast bowler hits a batsman, sorry batter, with a bouncer is he then entitled to go and clout the bowler with his bat in retaliation?

 

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View Nicholas91's Profile Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 17 Aug 22 10.40am Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

It's a tricky area. If a fast bowler hits a batsman, sorry batter, with a bouncer is he then entitled to go and clout the bowler with his bat in retaliation?

No would be my answer. That is part of that particular sport.

There is a difference between 'a bit of rough treatment' and an assault. Tackles in football can actually be a lot worse, there's been many a broken ankle, leg etc.

I'd argue a very strong 'ball and man' tackle is part of the sport and therefore not punishable however a Roy Keane-esque attempt to purely just hurt someone could very well be framed as an assault.

Although the law may not work that way I think most sensible thinking people could differentiate the difference between foul play and assault. A bowler may well throw an aggressive bouncer but equally off a more easily played ball a batsperson ( ) may well be able to smash a ball straight back at a bowler's cannister. Downing tools to throw hands would arguably be less dangerous for either but crosses a boundary.

Agree on tricky area but I think common sense would prevail although I acknowledge we are living in a post-common sense society.

 


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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Flag 17 Aug 22 11.07am Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Nicholas91

No would be my answer. That is part of that particular sport.

There is a difference between 'a bit of rough treatment' and an assault. Tackles in football can actually be a lot worse, there's been many a broken ankle, leg etc.

I'd argue a very strong 'ball and man' tackle is part of the sport and therefore not punishable however a Roy Keane-esque attempt to purely just hurt someone could very well be framed as an assault.

Although the law may not work that way I think most sensible thinking people could differentiate the difference between foul play and assault. A bowler may well throw an aggressive bouncer but equally off a more easily played ball a batsperson ( ) may well be able to smash a ball straight back at a bowler's cannister. Downing tools to throw hands would arguably be less dangerous for either but crosses a boundary.

Agree on tricky area but I think common sense would prevail although I acknowledge we are living in a post-common sense society.

Yes, you're right.
It's notable in baseball games that when a "batter" objects to a head hunting pitch he immediately throws his bat down before rushing to confront the pitcher. Then 20 other players rush in to separate them while the coaches kick dirt at each other.

 

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View Barcelona eagle's Profile Barcelona eagle Flag Cubelles 17 Aug 22 11.14am Send a Private Message to Barcelona eagle Add Barcelona eagle as a friend

Originally posted by pax3908

If that head butt had occured in the local night club or pub,there would have been all sorts of reaction along the lines of the culprit being arrested and charged etc etc,why is it then acceptable to deal with this offence by internal discipline when it is clearly an offence that should be dealt with by the police,what kind of example does it give to population if there is one rule for footballers and everyone else is treated differently,it is about time this was dealt with by criminal prosecution route!!

Not sure if you have seen the video on twitter, but Anderson was all over him the whole time, pushing, pulling, using the dark arts, almost Latin in his approach to defending, Nuñez could say he was provoked. Imagine if someone pushed and barged you for 50 minutes. brilliant defending from Anderson though

 

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View Palace Old Geezer's Profile Palace Old Geezer Flag Midhurst 17 Aug 22 11.16am Send a Private Message to Palace Old Geezer Add Palace Old Geezer as a friend

Most comments I've read from journalists and ex-players alike, clearly think that Andersen was behaving as you'd expect from any tough defender worth his salt. I still think Andersen pushes his luck sometimes, but his approach didn't warrant a headbutt in retaliation. Nunez will attract even more attention from opponents in future as they attempt to unsettle him.

By the way, I've always thought Cucurella should get a haircut and I'm surprised more players don't pull it like Romero. It must slow him down too.

 


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View Nicholas91's Profile Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 17 Aug 22 11.24am Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

Originally posted by Barcelona eagle

Not sure if you have seen the video on twitter, but Anderson was all over him the whole time, pushing, pulling, using the dark arts, almost Latin in his approach to defending, Nuñez could say he was provoked. Imagine if someone pushed and barged you for 50 minutes. brilliant defending from Anderson though

I have the words 'It's a contact sport' ringing in my years from my youth.

To go with the analogy, if someone was dancing next to you on a dancefloor and kept bumping into you, flailing their arms about (as part of their 'dancing') for however long, whilst it may well provoke an incredible urge to hurt them deliberately, you would still be in trouble for any very deliberate assault. There's a difference between identifying someone as a c**t, cleverly getting back at them yourself and blatantly assaulting them. I actually had it once at an England game with some very Mancunian (not sure) sounding bods who were a bit feisty in getting in and getting caught in what I would call a 'shuffling war' as we jostled for space upon entering. Both sides were obviously peeved, my back had certainly arched, however the first to throw would have certainly be deemed the culprit of something more extreme.


Nothing Andersen did warranted any severe punishment either inside or outside of the playing field. It's a defenders job to stop, put off a striker or throw him off his game. Even if Nunez did a 'Zlatan-esque' elbow to the head in the guise of competing for a header, that would be of less condemnation than the incident.

 


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fighting/Brawling/Punching/Headbutting is not Sportsmanlike behaviour, and so should be treated as such.

That being said, it's a very dangerous road to begin on to get outside authorities involved in prosecution of such acts. As soon as the money grabbing lawyers have a precedent, they'll start prosecuting for everything, first the outright displays of violence, then The 'Reckless' challenges, then the accidentals.

THAT being Said. If someone gets Seriously injured or even dies in a fight, then it'd be negligent for the police not to investigate.

So there has to be a line where external authorities are called in. There's only so much a club can (and wants) to do against their costly and prized asset. The reality is that the clubs (and the FA) want the stars playing if it means they're more likely to win football matches, regardless of their on field 'behaviour' - so the punishment rarely fits the crime.

 


"It was a Team effort, I guess it took all players working together to lose this one"

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View CrazyBadger's Profile CrazyBadger Flag Ware 17 Aug 22 11.35am Send a Private Message to CrazyBadger Add CrazyBadger as a friend

Originally posted by Nicholas91

I have the words 'It's a contact sport' ringing in my years from my youth.

To go with the analogy, if someone was dancing next to you on a dancefloor and kept bumping into you, flailing their arms about (as part of their 'dancing') for however long, whilst it may well provoke an incredible urge to hurt them deliberately, you would still be in trouble for any very deliberate assault. There's a difference between identifying someone as a c**t, cleverly getting back at them yourself and blatantly assaulting them. I actually had it once at an England game with some very Mancunian (not sure) sounding bods who were a bit feisty in getting in and getting caught in what I would call a 'shuffling war' as we jostled for space upon entering. Both sides were obviously peeved, my back had certainly arched, however the first to throw would have certainly be deemed the culprit of something more extreme.


Nothing Andersen did warranted any severe punishment either inside or outside of the playing field. It's a defenders job to stop, put off a striker or throw him off his game. Even if Nunez did a 'Zlatan-esque' elbow to the head in the guise of competing for a header, that would be of less condemnation than the incident.

Football is not A Contact Sport. never has been.
It's a Partial Contact sport, in that Contact is not in the Rules of the game(a la rugby), but it is Inevitable.

Strictly speaking all 'Contact' in football should be 'accidental'. That is why you can't go 'through a player' when tackling, and you should be 'playing the ball'.
The amount of Grappling/Tugging/holding/Barging and Hugging that goes on in a the Penalty areas is not really allowed, but is accepted for the flow of the game. That and it is too hard to officiate effectively.

 


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View Casual's Profile Casual Flag Orpington 17 Aug 22 11.49am Send a Private Message to Casual Add Casual as a friend

With Anderson’s range of long passing (best in the league for a center back in my opinion), if he has now gained a nasty streak.Add a few goals , he could play for any team in the league.
Great buy.

 

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