If he is speaking like this sounds like a man who is on his way out of the club or def not going to sign a new deal.

Yes he was looked tired towards the end he should have come off.

Schlupp would still play PV loves him as if hes something special hes not and should never be starting games he is the sort of player you bring him on in this game I could see him driving forward for a goal if that was the case but no.

I must say that Tony wouldn't mind him if Palace got him very good player.

We really need to do business clear out some people and bring others in but I dont see it happening may get a loan and a super cheap player that's it.

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Easy to say PV made a bad decision with the benefit of hindsight. Guehi was ball watching at the goal unfortunately. We should have been out of sight but don’t have a striker who knows how to find space.

I thought Vieira had learned this lesson at the start of his tenure. Subbing defensively means we don't have players to control the ball, so we yield all possession to our opponents precisely when they're eager to attack.

On a subconscious level I suspect he "felt" like we were up 2-0 with 10 minutes remaining.

I'm very irritated by yet another example of Vieira's defensive subs costing us points.

How many times is he going to do that before he figures out that it just invites pressure and has us defending deeper?

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (30 Aug 2022 10.04pm)

It’s really easy In real time too! We ALL saw it when he took off Olise to bring on a 5th defender. The BT pundits are calling out the negative substitutions, Wilf did too and yet PV does not see it even in hindsight. Oh instead he blamed the players being tired after the City game - a bizarre comment given how hard Zaha, Olise, Eze, Ward etc worked.

If we had a better striker PV would substitute him in the last 10 mins to go 5 at the back.

Edited by maddog (30 Aug 2022 10.10pm)

That’s my view too.
Vieira knew that Brentford had put a few more attackers on and responded to the anticipated kitchen sink being thrown at us.
However, we had looked relatively solid with a back four and the defensive changes unsettled us and seemed to invite pressure from Brentford.
It reminded me of Arsenal away last year when we moved to a back five and they equalised.
We sacrificed control of the game and it’s not a surprise they equalised.
This is not said in hindsight - it seemed wrong immediately we made the change.
On the positive side I thought Doucoure looked good.
We lack a top quality striker (which we are unlikely to get) and another very good central midfield player (which hopefully we will get).