You are here: Home > Message Board > News & Politics > New prime minister
March 28 2024 2.43pm

New prime minister

Previous Topic | Next Topic


Page 18 of 61 < 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 >

 

View Glazier#1's Profile Glazier#1 Flag 03 Oct 22 12.19pm Send a Private Message to Glazier#1 Add Glazier#1 as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

Politician who refuses to change their mind on a controversial measure:

Out of touch with the voters, intransigent, uncaring etc.

Politician who listens and admits mistakes:

U Turn, weak, wobbly, dithering

Some times you can't win.

Yeah, I know what you mean.

However, in my view, the fact that the original decision was made meant that she and Kwasi were out of touch with the voters.

And it does look a bit weird, being so staunchly behind her original decision only 24 hrs ago, don't you think?

 

Alert Alert a moderator to this post Edit this post Quote this post in a reply
View Glazier#1's Profile Glazier#1 Flag 03 Oct 22 12.21pm Send a Private Message to Glazier#1 Add Glazier#1 as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

Not necessarily a bad idea it all depends where the cuts are.

In 2016 the civil service staff stood at 380,000 this year it is 480,000. What are these people doing

Edited by Badger11 (03 Oct 2022 11.59am)

Well, in the NHS, it is managers managing managers, each with no clinical background. Yet we are short of clinicians.

 

Alert Alert a moderator to this post Edit this post Quote this post in a reply
View Nicholas91's Profile Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 03 Oct 22 12.24pm Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

Originally posted by Glazier#1

Yeah, I know what you mean.

However, in my view, the fact that the original decision was made meant that she and Kwasi were out of touch with the voters.

And it does look a bit weird, being so staunchly behind her original decision only 24 hrs ago, don't you think?

I disagree.

I think it shows they are both f**king morons, Liz more so than we all suspected.

I believe the U-turn is their acknowledgement of the confirmation of these beliefs.

 


Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

Alert Alert a moderator to this post Edit this post Quote this post in a reply
View The Dolphin's Profile The Dolphin Flag 03 Oct 22 12.42pm Send a Private Message to The Dolphin Add The Dolphin as a friend

I am a true blue and I think hat the pair of them have behaved like inept students given free reign over a business for a couple of days.
I cannot defend the cut in the top rate of tax - political suicide and a clueless decision.
The U turn is a good idea but should never have been able to happen in the first place.
The other tax cuts were fine and beneficial to everyone.
The other thing is that Truss is already throwing the blame elsewhere as if she had nothing to do with anything.
Plain embarrassing and wrong.
The two top people in government along with all of the others should be in it together.
Also giving the pious Rachel Reeves the opportunity to speak is silly albeit she knows as mu™h about the economy as I do about sumo wrestling!
On the plus side the other tax cuts are good and the energy bailout will help many through a painful winter.
Truss really has got it so wrong and proof that Boris was best!


Edited by The Dolphin (03 Oct 2022 12.43pm)

 

Alert Alert a moderator to this post Edit this post Quote this post in a reply
View Ketteridge's Profile Ketteridge Flag Brighton 03 Oct 22 12.50pm Send a Private Message to Ketteridge Add Ketteridge as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

Not necessarily a bad idea it all depends where the cuts are.

In 2016 the civil service staff stood at 380,000 this year it is 480,000. What are these people doing

Edited by Badger11 (03 Oct 2022 11.59am)

Might be of interest [Link] from the institute of government . The operational department HMRC, DWP, MOJ,MOD etc have largely remained the same.

'Staff numbers in all departments of the civil service have increased since the EU referendum. The Department for International Trade (DIT) was created in July 2016 to strike and extend trade agreements with foreign countries in the wake of the UK’s decision to leave the EU. Since staff numbers were first reported for the department in December 2016, it has tripled in size.

Some of the other departments that have grown the most proportionally since the referendum include DCMS, the Cabinet Office, Defra and BEIS, all of which had significant and varied responsibilities preparing for and implementing Brexit. In 2016 the then-permanent secretary of Defra, Clare Moriarty, estimated that over 80% of the department’s activity was framed by the EU, and its workload increased significantly throughout the EU exit process.[6] The department has grown in all but two of the last 24 quarters and is now nearly twice as large as it was at the time of the EU referendum.

The other major staffing pressure which drove recent recruitment into the civil service was Covid-19. Many of the departments which have grown the most proportionally since 2016 – DCMS, DHSC, the Cabinet Office and BEIS – also took key roles in the government’s response to the pandemic.'


 


One supporter of hacking argued that without it "you will do away with the courage and pluck of the game, and I will be bound to bring over a lot of Frenchmen who would beat you with a week's practice -Blackheath secretary at first meeting of the F.A

Alert Alert a moderator to this post Edit this post Quote this post in a reply
View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag The garden of England 03 Oct 22 12.57pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

Not necessarily a bad idea it all depends where the cuts are.

In 2016 the civil service staff stood at 380,000 this year it is 480,000. What are these people doing

Edited by Badger11 (03 Oct 2022 11.59am)

Probably working from home

 

Alert Alert a moderator to this post Edit this post Quote this post in a reply
View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 03 Oct 22 1.02pm Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by Glazier#1

Well, in the NHS, it is managers managing managers, each with no clinical background. Yet we are short of clinicians.

Agreed.

 


One more point

Alert Alert a moderator to this post Edit this post Quote this post in a reply
View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 03 Oct 22 1.07pm Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by Ketteridge

Might be of interest [Link] from the institute of government . The operational department HMRC, DWP, MOJ,MOD etc have largely remained the same.

'Staff numbers in all departments of the civil service have increased since the EU referendum. The Department for International Trade (DIT) was created in July 2016 to strike and extend trade agreements with foreign countries in the wake of the UK’s decision to leave the EU. Since staff numbers were first reported for the department in December 2016, it has tripled in size.

Some of the other departments that have grown the most proportionally since the referendum include DCMS, the Cabinet Office, Defra and BEIS, all of which had significant and varied responsibilities preparing for and implementing Brexit. In 2016 the then-permanent secretary of Defra, Clare Moriarty, estimated that over 80% of the department’s activity was framed by the EU, and its workload increased significantly throughout the EU exit process.[6] The department has grown in all but two of the last 24 quarters and is now nearly twice as large as it was at the time of the EU referendum.

The other major staffing pressure which drove recent recruitment into the civil service was Covid-19. Many of the departments which have grown the most proportionally since 2016 – DCMS, DHSC, the Cabinet Office and BEIS – also took key roles in the government’s response to the pandemic.'


Thanks some useful input.

I can see how some departments would increase post Brexit as the UK untangles itself from the EU as it create new laws and has to make new bilateral agreements with other countries.

However once you are over this initial hump I suspect that some of the jobs may no longer be required which begs the question will the Civil Service downsize?

 


One more point

Alert Alert a moderator to this post Edit this post Quote this post in a reply
View Glazier#1's Profile Glazier#1 Flag 03 Oct 22 1.26pm Send a Private Message to Glazier#1 Add Glazier#1 as a friend

Originally posted by The Dolphin

I am a true blue and I think hat the pair of them have behaved like inept students given free reign over a business for a couple of days.
I cannot defend the cut in the top rate of tax - political suicide and a clueless decision.
The U turn is a good idea but should never have been able to happen in the first place.
The other tax cuts were fine and beneficial to everyone.
The other thing is that Truss is already throwing the blame elsewhere as if she had nothing to do with anything.
Plain embarrassing and wrong.
The two top people in government along with all of the others should be in it together.
Also giving the pious Rachel Reeves the opportunity to speak is silly albeit she knows as mu™h about the economy as I do about sumo wrestling!
On the plus side the other tax cuts are good and the energy bailout will help many through a painful winter.
Truss really has got it so wrong and proof that Boris was best!

Edited by The Dolphin (03 Oct 2022 12.43pm)

Sorry, can't agree.

The lying Eton Mess belongs nowhere near government imo.

Even though his inept 'cuddliness' seems to give him a patina of 'man of the people'.

 

Alert Alert a moderator to this post Edit this post Quote this post in a reply
View steeleye20's Profile steeleye20 Online Flag Croydon 03 Oct 22 4.00pm Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

A top Conservative party donor has announced his defection to Labour with a £100,000 donation to Sir Keir Starmer’s party.

Gareth Quarry accused Liz Truss and her Kwasi Kwarteng of being “zealots” and said the Tories had made Britain “a laughing stock”.

The multimillionaire said the prime minister and chancellor were practising “GCSE economics” but described Labour as “sensible people who have got their feet on the ground”.

Wow, don't think I can take being sensible and having my feet on the ground. I'll have to have a lie down.......


 

Alert Alert a moderator to this post Edit this post Quote this post in a reply
View steeleye20's Profile steeleye20 Online Flag Croydon 03 Oct 22 4.14pm Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

I know 'a week in politics is a long time' - (I think Harold Wilson), but I didn't know you could inflict so much damage in such a short time.

 

Alert Alert a moderator to this post Edit this post Quote this post in a reply
View Spiderman's Profile Spiderman Flag Horsham 03 Oct 22 4.22pm Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by Glazier#1

Well, in the NHS, it is managers managing managers, each with no clinical background. Yet we are short of clinicians.

Not only the NHS, all CS departments bring in senior managers who have no knowledge of the work involved. In Border Force they brought in Senior Managers from British Gas, Southern Water. Of course they knew fall about the job, made decisions that were ridiculous, let the “ plebs” take the flack and then move on

 

Alert Alert a moderator to this post Edit this post Quote this post in a reply

 

Page 18 of 61 < 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 >

Previous Topic | Next Topic

You are here: Home > Message Board > News & Politics > New prime minister